[nfbmi-talk] Fw: Follow up to your telephone call with MPAS

Sun Aug 8 05:06:27 UTC 2010

I didn't even spell check this as I was so livid. You don't know the half of 
it Fred as I've single handedly educated these folks for nowalmost a decade 
on effective communications requirements of the ADA and 504 and of course 
the signage issue. Beyond that I worked diligently as you know almost single 
handedly over the physical access to polls and wanted to have MPAS sue Terri 
Lynne Land in 2004 under the ADA/504 for buying inaccessable voting 
instruments not at the same time that she bought  new instruments for 
voting.

Moreover, I warned Kyle Dubuc and others like Tom Masseu that if some 
entities weren't sued then physical access to the pollls for people with 
disabilities would be a reality although HAVA required that as of January 1, 
2006. Specifically even though there were funds for surveys which I 
participated in here in Genesee County, including Flint I told them and all 
parties that if they weren't sued outright then the same problems would 
plague us years later. Guess what? The same old barriers exist in Flint to 
this very day. Not one single identified barrier has been removed.

Now all these laws like the ADA and 504 are great. But, the devil is in 
enforcement for no law is worth a tinker's dam if not enforced.

Goes to Cannon ... He talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Never has 
and never will either.

He is a bovine scatology artist.

Time for hand holding is over and has been for some time.

Terry Eagle has shown that they don't budge an inch if not sue.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "'Jeanette Brown'" <jbrown at mpas.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Follow up to your telephone call with MPAS

> Joe,
>
> I cannot believe this MPAS outfit.  If that isn't the most pathetic 
> response
> ever.  These people belong in jail.  They are taking money under false
> pretenses.  There is no, I repeat, No, protection or advocacy.  This is a
> perfect example of their cluelessness.  It is so appalling.  How can we 
> sue
> them for every penny they have ever received to allegedly serve blind 
> people
> I'm ready to go to court any place any time.  This is so sick.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:25 PM
> To: nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Follow up to your telephone call with MPAS
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
> To: "CYNTHIA QUILLAN" <CQUILLA at mpas.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Follow up to your telephone call with MPAS
>
>
>> Just got back from Philly. I cannot independently fill out any print
>> questionaire, which goes to the point here. Moreover, Title II, subpart e
>> and Section 504 require "primary consideration". In other words the 
>> person
>
>> who has vision or hearing issues must be consulted about the most
>> effective format for themself.
>>
>> Now, in my instance all I generally as for is simply a plain text or Word
>> attachment or simply an enclosure to e-mail such as this one.
>>
>> Over the years MPAS has not understood these requirements fully in my
>> experience. And again this goes to the point of informed consent.
>>
>> And it goes to system compliance by MCB itself. One need only view the
>> question number two on MCB's own web site in its 2008 consumer
>> satisfaction survey to denote that many individuals never recieved one
>> item in accessable format. And these were perportedly successful 
>> closures!
>
>> Not one item! And that is from application through closure!
>>
>> Moreover, McB has failed to conduct its required survey of unsuccessful
>> closures. One can only imagine what that looks like!
>>
>> I filed OCR complaints while a VR client in New Hampshire over this very
>> issue and prevailed.
>>
>> Then upon my return to Michigan I ran into the same issue circa 
>> 2001-2002.
>
>> Mame I know the law and I know my rights. And I know when a scofflaw
>> agency like MCB violates them.
>>
>> Moreover as a former member of MCB's consumer involvement council this
>> issue of accessable format including access to ones own file by formal 
>> and
>
>> informal surveys was a consistent problem especially in the Eastern part
>> of this state.
>>
>> I'm leaving to the side physical access issues of which I've filed
>> numerous complaints on their own facilities. But, Pat Cannon the former
>> chair of the US Access Board and State ADA coordinator has and continues
>> to violate those too. In fact in every office building including the HQ
>> (Victor Office Building) raised character and Braille signage is still
>> non-compliant. It doesn't conform to ADAAG Sections 4.1, 4.2, 4.3.
>>
>> As they have been informed of obligations in both regards to physical
>> access (also required under Title I of the Rehab Act) and obligations to
>> remit accessable information to all consumers based upon primary
>> consideration (and affirmativelty and in a timely manner) for more than
>> the decade I've been back in Michigan Ithis constitutes not only
>> deliberate indifference to the law but manifestly intentional
>> discriminatikon which must be construed to have been conducted with 
>> malice
>
>> of forethought.
>>
>> These are only the tip of the iceberg in a demand for systemic relief.
>>
>>
>> Finally, without pro forma information in alternate formats in a timely
>> manner there is no and I repeat NO informed consent.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "CYNTHIA QUILLAN" <CQUILLA at mpas.org>
>> To: <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:36 AM
>> Subject: Follow up to your telephone call with MPAS
>>
>>
>>> The information contained in this message is privileged or confidential
>>> information intended only for the use of the individual or entity
>>> named
>>> above.  If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,
>>> you
>>> are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of
>>> this communications neither allowed nor intended.  If you have
>>> received
>>> this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by
>>> telephone at 800.288.5923.  Thank you.
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Harcz:
>>>
>>> Per our conversation, on June 24, 2010, I did consult with the Client
>>> Assistance Program (CAP) Director Jeanette Brown about your concerns
>>> about the CAP being in an assessable format for the blind and about
>>> Michigan Commission for the Blind (MCB) consumers being unaware of CAP
>>> services.  Ms. Brown responded with the comment that all of our agency
>>> brochures are available in assessable format. She also stated that the
>>> MCB is required to tell customers about CAP and that the she will
>>> follow
>>> up on this issue with MCB. She appreciated you bringing this MCB
>>> concern
>>> to her attention.
>>>
>>> I will send you via the postal service Braille and large print written
>>> brochures on CAP and one entitled Who We Are What We Do.  I mentioned
>>> that I would send information on our agency priorities.  Unfortunately
>>> this information is in the process of being updated and is unavailable.
>>>
>>> I can send you an agency questionnaire which helps the agency
>>> reevaluate
>>> future agency priorities. If interested in a Braille or large print
>>> questionnaire, please let me know as I will need to put in a request
>>> for
>>> this. I hope this information is useful.
>>>
>>> At this time, I am closing my file on this matter.  I would appreciate
>>> it if you would fill out the enclosed evaluation and return it to us.
>>> Your comments help us provide quality services to our callers.  Thank
>>> you for calling Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc.  Please
>>> call again any time you have questions or concerns about the rights of
>>> people with disabilities.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>> I &R Advocate
>>>
>>
>
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