[nfbmi-talk] mcb??

Sun Oct 31 23:54:36 UTC 2010

Hi Maryann this is Tonya. You know all of these talk is correct but it seems to be meaning one way and one way only. Now I was taught and I was told by a friend of mine that it doesn't hurt to ask, you know of things and it doesn't hurt to... and if you want something bad enough you've got to make it happen. I'm not one to sit on my hands and say "Oh, Oh well that's just the way it is." I'm not one to do that. I was raised not to be a quitter and if you want some bad enough you've got to be willing to fight for it. Yes there are certain things that cannot be controlled right now but if you don't ask, nobody will know what's wrong and things to Georgia, she is... she's giving me the opportunity to do that so you know, so basically what you are saying and what father is saying is right. Until then I can't do anything but it doesn't hurt to speak up.

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> Original Message:
> ---------------------------------
> 
> From: Mary Ann Robinson <brightsmile1953 at comcast.net> 
> Sent: October 31, 2010 7:14:20 PM
> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> 
> Very well said, Fred!  It is imperative that the "fundamental philosophical
> compass" be corrected.  Until that happens, blind persons in Michigan of 
> every age from
> infancy to seniors in their 90s will continue to receive inadequate services
> or no services at all
> 
> We all have interests that we want to pursue.  However, we need to remember 
> that there is power in knowledge, in numbers and in unity.  We must also 
> remember the priorities of the organization, namely security, equality, 
> opportunity and independence for all blind persons.  As things currently 
> stand with the Commission for the Blind, we have little if any of those..
>  We've made progress and only if we continue to remain strong  and to pursue 
> our goals, then will we achieve more equality, independence, 
> opportunity,security and first class citizenship for blind people in our 
> organization and for many many more in our state who aren't members.
> 
> Mary Ann Robinson
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> 
> 
> > Hello Tonya,
> >
> > There is a saying (like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic) that
> > is
> > said when making incremental changes will not prevent the inevitable or
> > correct the incorrect path of the vessel, a metaphor for organization.  In
> > the case of MCB the course is set in the wrong direction, so reorganizing
> > or
> > somehow restructuring the reporting hierarchy will not make any difference
> > if the fundamental philosophical compass is not corrected.  We will
> > continue
> > to have clients told there is no money when there are millions of dollars
> > of
> > unspent money in the accounts.  College students will continue to be told
> > they must take out loans, even though the Rehab Act does not require that
> > they do.  Students will be stuck with $11,000 debts with no offer to repay
> > them, even though the Commission gave incorrect information.  We will
> > continue to work to reduce services to college students when a college
> > education is the best predictor of employability.  We will continue to
> > reduce legally mandated services to BEP operators who wish to move even
> > though they are often making less than the minimum wage and cannot afford
> > to
> > move their household across the state, even if for a better job.  We will
> > continue to have the MCB director usurping power from the Commission Board
> > when, in fact, the board is his boss.  We will continue to have
> > information
> > withheld even though the law clearly requires the sharing of public
> > documents.  Blind children will continue to be denied the opportunity to
> > learn Braille, even though the Commission law clearly states the MCB
> > Director shall coordinate all services to blind children in Michigan.
> > Highly qualified and hardworking blind people will be fired from the
> > Commission for being NFB members.  Leaders in the Business Enterprise
> > Program will continue to be removed from the program because they are
> > leaders and are members of the NFB.
> >
> > This is what I mean when I say that restructuring the MCB is like
> > rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.  What is needed is for the
> > Commission Board to take its rightful roll as the policy setting body for
> > MCB, to focus on a philosophy that leads to doing whatever is necessary to
> > help blind people get good jobs and gain first-class citizenship, free
> > from
> > discrimination and low expectation.  I hope this helps.
> >
> > Warm Regards,
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of Tonya Smith
> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:56 PM
> > To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> >
> > Hey Fred this is Tonya. What the holy heck does the Titanic have to do
> > with
> > the commission? The Titanic is a ship Fred, I saw the movie. What does, I
> > don't get it. What does the changing of the chairs have to do, I don't get
> > it. What does the changing of the chairs on the Titanic have to do with
> > anything. I don't get it. Perhaps why don't you come back and explain it
> > to
> > me please. Because well, I don't mean to sound really rude, but that
> > sounded
> > kind of really dumb.
> >
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> >> Original Message:
> >> ---------------------------------
> >>
> >> From: Fred Wurtzel <f.wurtzel at att.net>
> >> Sent: October 28, 2010 8:14:57 PM
> >> To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List' <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Unless there are major philosophic changes, rearranging the chairs on the
> >> Titanic will not help.
> >>
> >> Warmest Regards,
> >>
> >> Fred
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> On Behalf Of gkitchen
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:40 PM
> >> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am not  sure if there was a misunderstanding.  I think some people have
> >> been dissatisfied with their services from the commission, certainly in
> > not
> >> every circumstance but with certain services.
> >>
> >> Georgia
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Jacalyn Paulding" <jacalynpaulding at gmail.com>
> >> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:55 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> >>
> >>
> >> > I'm just wondering if there is a little misunderstanding here.  They
> >> > are
> >
> >> > in
> >> > fact restructuring the physical premises of the Michigan Comission
> >> > Training
> >> > Center in kalamazoo.  All students are going home November 19th and the
> >> > center is relocating while there is a massive remodeling.
> >> >
> >> > Do you think maybe somebody misunderstood mcbtc to be mcb?
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:42 AM, gkitchen <ghkitchen at comcast.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Fred,
> >> >>
> >> >> I think the person who mentioned it was unsatisified with their
> > services
> >> >> and well I believe they have reason.
> >> >>
> >> >> Georgia
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
> >> >> To: "'Marcus Simmons'" <MarcusSimmons at comcast.net>; "'NFB of Michigan
> >> >> Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:44 PM
> >> >>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>  Hi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yes, restructuring could mean a lot of things, so that is why I
> >> >>> really
> >> >>> wonder what is ment by this comment.  It could mean anything from
> > merger
> >> >>> with MRS, to moving to the Department of Ed or a simple reassignment
> > of
> >> >>> roles within the agency.  Very ambiguous.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Warmest Regards,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Fred
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> >>> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> >>> ]
> >> >>> On Behalf Of Marcus Simmons
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:20 PM
> >> >>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If 30% of the present staff retire, that would constitute a
> >> >>> restructuring,
> >> >>> right?
> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "gkitchen" <ghkitchen at comcast.net>
> >> >>> To: "NFB of Michigan List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:26 AM
> >> >>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>  Hi,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Someone I talked to briefly told me they were going to restructure
> > the
> >> >>>> MCB. Has anyone have any comments about this?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Georgia
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