[nfbmi-talk] the mcb that couldn't shoot straight
Tonya Smith
tonyasmith75 at live.com
Thu May 26 01:35:24 UTC 2011
Hi, Raymond. That's all very nice to know about deported email, but why did you do that? It's, I mean, I... My Voice on the Go does not have a "skip" button so I can skip over all this stuff. I mean, it's very time consuming when someone has to listen to it all. What were trying to send? I don't quite understand. What kind of message were you trying to send? And so, anyway, see I'm the kind of person that I, that if you have something to say, please say it. Get straight to the point.
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> Original Message:
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> From: Raymond Roberson <rayrroberson at gmail.com>
> Sent: May 25, 2011 9:10:48 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] the mcb that couldn't shoot straight
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
> To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 7:04 PM
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] the mcb that couldn't shoot straight
>
>
> All this is just hilarious. Here Cannon and the agency continually
> contradict themselves, then outright lie and then in some sort of paranoid
> fashion claimed they were "duped" by Christine. Oh, my the paranoid
> delusions here remind me of both the old FOIA, bullet proof drape fantasies
> and fiasco (That is where Cannon because he wasbeing picketted by angry,
> mostly African-American consumers in 2008 had one of his aid-de-camps aka
> henchmen look into security at MCB meetings including the possability of
> bullet proof drapes around the Director's table.). And that was before the
> famous "bb gun" marksmanship case here by the way.. The whole thing reminds
> me of the movie "The gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight". Puns and so-forth
> are intended here. Man, oh man if I was the arbitrator I just wouldn't have
> been able to keep from laughing these crooked shooting clowns out of the
> room. These are the folks that taxpayers pay in excess of one hundred
> thousand each per year in salaries alone for? Cannon, Gammons, and the
> Attorney General's office wasted taxpayers money with all of this farce? Oh,
> then between chuckles at this and seeing the raw humor I also have to remind
> myself it isn't so funny, at least not the ultimate consequences for here in
> Michigan not only has Christine been abused by these clowns, but all
> consumers and all blind folks.
>
> Still, it is funny. I would have paid a million dollars to get inside the
> head of the arbitrator during this thing though. Maybe he lacquered his face
> to keep from breaking out with a grin...I don't know how he did it. I really
> don't...
>
> Quoting from the ruling:
>
> "
> Over the years the idea of having a shooting or marksmanship class was
> raised with
>
> Ms. Cornell by her students. She testified that she knew blind individuals
> can
>
> hunt in Michigan and that in 2008 she had taken some students to an archery
>
> range. The archery activity increased interest in deer hunting and target
> shooting
>
> and wondering how a blind or visually impaired person could safely go back
> to
>
> target shooting." Before the marksmanship class was undertaken, Ms. Cornell
>
> took her students paint ball shooting, but that did not satisfy the students
> and
>
> they continued to ask whether there was a more realistic way they could
> shoot.
>
> In early 2009, Ms. Cornell discussed the students' desire to shoot with Ms.
> Boone.
>
> The conversation led to the development of a performance objective on Ms.
>
> Cornell?s annual evaluation to explore opportunities for target shooting
> and/or
>
> paint ball in the area. Karen Cornell?s Evaluation dated 2/26/2010 noted
> that the
>
> objective had been met by helping to create a marksmanship class at Training
>
> Center. During Ms. Cornell's 2008 evaluation it was decided that she would
>
> investigate how such a program might be conducted while Ms, Boone would
> speak
>
> with Mr. Cannon about having such a program. Ms. Boone testified that she
> did
>
> speak with Mr. Cannon about the idea of a shooting class in early spring
> 2009. It
>
> was Ms. Boone?s testimony that in a telephone conversation Ms. Boone told
> Mr.
>
> Cannon about Ms. Cornell's idea, and he asked what Ms. Boone and Ms. Cornell
>
> had in mind. Ms. Boone stated that she told Mr. Cannon that Ms, Cornell
> didn't
>
> want to do a "one time thing" but wanted to look into teaching a class. Ms.
> Boone
>
> told Mr. Cannon that Ms. Cornell was going to check with places in the
> community
>
> about shooting opportunities at ranges and that they would also explore the
>
> possibility of having something on the Training Center grounds. Ms. Boone
>
> Christine Boone Page 20 of 36.
>
> Michigan Department of Energy, Labor & Economic GrowthAAA 54 390 00896 10;
> Termination of Employment / Christine Boone
>
> testified that Mr. Cannon voiced some concern about safety, which Ms. Boone
>
> addressed, and that Mr. Cannon's conclusion was "we're all about combating
> the
>
> soft bigotry of low expectations, and . . . doing things that are not
> necessarily
>
> commonplace. So you have my permission to go ahead. . . ."
>
> Mr. Cannon acknowledged at the hearing that he had had a conversation with
> Ms.
>
> Boone about students engaging in some sort of marksmanship or shooting
> activity,
>
> although he had earlier denied any recollection of such a discussion. He
> testified
>
> that he thought Ms. Boone was discussing some sort of a field trip involving
>
> shooting rather than a "class." Mr. Cannon admitted that he had a discussion
>
> about shooting with Ms. Boone that was held in early 2009, and that he told
> Ms.
>
> Boone the matter could be explored further. Mr. Cannon testified that he
>
> commented that the shooting had to be safe, but it is noted that he did not
> address
>
> any matter involving any DELEG work rule or Civil Service regulations
> regarding
>
> firearms.
>
> Ms. Cornell took steps to meet her performance objective by discussing the
> issue of
>
> where and how students might shoot with employees at a local gun shop and
> with
>
> the Training Center's assistant director Bruce Schultz. Ms. Cornell asked a
> gun
>
> shop employee if there was a firing range or other location where blind
> students
>
> could target shoot and, although the person said he would check and pass any
>
> information onto Ms. Cornell, she never heard back from him. In February
> 2009,
>
> Ms. Cornell had a conversation about a shooting class with employees at the
>
> Training Center, including Dan Grover, a maintenance employee, and he
> suggested
>
> that target shooting could be done at the center. As Cornell remembers the
> events,
>
> Mr. Grover said that with 23 acres of land on the Training Center site there
> was
>
> plenty of space to safely use pellet guns. He specifically recommended a
> spot in a
>
> ravine with a large dirt hill behind it as being suitable for pellet gun
> shooting. After
>
> Christine Boone Page 21 of 36.
>
> Michigan Department of Energy, Labor & Economic GrowthAAA 54 390 00896 10;
> Termination of Employment / Christine Boone
>
> discussing the idea further with Mr. Grover and another maintenance
> employee,
>
> Ms. Cornell spoke with Ms. Boone about the suggestion. Ms. Boone instructed
>
> Ms. Cornell to call the local authorities to investigate whether it would be
> legal to
>
> hold the marksmanship class at the Training Center.
>
> Following Ms. Boone's instructions, Ms. Cornell called both the Kalamazoo
>
> Department of Public Safety and the local Michigan State Police post to ask
>
> whether it would be legal to conduct a shooting class on the Training Center
>
> grounds with Ruger pellet guns, which she had decided were the appropriate
> guns
>
> to use. Ms. Cornell was told by the state police officer with whom she spoke
> that the
>
> Ruger pellet guns were BB class guns under state law, were not considered
>
> firearms, and, therefore, there was no legal reason that the class could not
> be
>
> held. He also said that he was familiar with the spot on the Training Center
>
> grounds that had been suggested. He recommended that Ms. Cornell should
> check
>
> with the Kalamazoo Public Safety Department because the Training Center is
>
> located in the city. Ms. Cornell called the Kalamazoo Police Department and
>
> received the same answer from an official there as she had from the state
> police;
>
> that the pellet guns were not firearms and there was no reason the
> marksmanship
>
> class could not be held at the Training Center. A contemporaneous note by
> Ms.
>
> Cornell reflects her conversation with the Kalamazoo Public Safety
> Department.
>
> The Appellee asserts that Mr. Cannon was duped, and that the decisions to
> hold the
>
> class on the Training Center grounds and to use the Ruger pellet rifles were
> made
>
> before Ms. Boone?s call to Mr. Cannon. The contacts with the state and local
>
> police agencies had also been completed by this time. The Appellee quotes
> Ms.
>
> Boone?s arbitration testimony:
>
> Christine Boone Page 22 of 36.
>
> Michigan Department of Energy, Labor & Economic GrowthAAA 54 390 00896 10;
> Termination of Employment / Christine Boone
>
> ?I let [Director Cannon] know that Karen said she did not want tohave a one
> time thing but she wanted to look into doing a class. Soshe was going to do
> some checking with places in the community,
>
> like shooting ranges and that and see what they had to say. And thatwe would
> also explore the possibility of having something on thecenter grounds since
> we did have 22 and a half acres, which when Icame was virtually unused, and
> ever since the time of my coming
>
> we've been increasingly bringing that property in to use so that itcould
> benefit our students.?
>
> The Appellee in alleging a conspiracy to dupe Mr. Cannon argues that Ms.
> Boone
>
> testified that she told Director Cannon that "we would explore the
> possibility of
>
> having something on the center grounds" even though Boone knew that Cornell
>
> was already planning on having the class on the Training Center grounds, and
>
> while she also knew that Ms. Cornell had already contacted "places in the
>
> community" ? one gun shop in January of 2009. Ms. Cornell?s testimony
> indicated
>
> that she had decided where on the Training Center grounds to have the class,
> and
>
> had not pursued any other avenues after February of 2009, but it is not
> known
>
> whether Ms. Boone knew of this. In addition, Ms. Cornell had already
>
> contacted the local police agencies and received approvals, and had already
>
> determined the type of gun to be used ? the Ruger air rifles. Mr. Cannon
> stated
>
> that the ?notion of a class was never discussed for students, a shooting
> class, it
>
> never came up in our conservation. There was discussion about taking
> students on
>
> a field trip for a target practice experience like at a shooting gallery.?
>
> The Appellee asserts that Ms. Boone deliberately misled Mr. Cannon about an
>
> issue she deemed important, and that this deception combined with other
> lapses in
>
> Boone's judgment warranted termination. "
>
>
>
> Joe
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