[nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal

[joe harcz Comcast]

Of course these are reasons for removing a service dog and even for 
sanctioning the owner with say a cleaning fee.

But, this was not done here clearly. This is a slam dunk case of illegal 
discrimination.

Whenever I see news stories or cases involving service dogs I've never seen 
a one in recent years where the place of public accommodation has a 
legitimate reason or even claims an excuse like the ones you site here 
Larry.

I'll let you know though when I find one.

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
To: "doggie" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:02 AM
Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal


>I believe that there only a few conditions where a store owner can legally 
>ask a dog team to leave the location.  None of these did I see at State 
>Convention.  I have seen the first from someone I knew though.  That is the 
>dog relieving itself in the store.  I have seen many folks who seem too 
>busy to relieve there dogs and take them into a business and wonder why 
>they left a present or two.  The one guy in question I knew was guilty of 
>not relieving his dog often enough and when he relieved himself in the 
>store, he refused to accknowledge that his dog did it.  He argued with the 
>manager and his wife cleaned it up.  Accidents do happen but if the owner 
>refuses to take responsibility well they should be asked to leave.  Also, 
>if the dog is obviously not under control.  Excessive barking, putting 
>there noses into displays, snatching things off of shelves and wandering 
>around by themselves come to mind.  Pretty much the same reasons I would 
>remove my kids from a business as well.  My dog has tried to sniff those 
>loaves of bread at Krogers they put nice and low by the counter.  I always 
>correct her and divert her attention when she does that.  I would be 
>worried she might sneak a bite while I was buying something so she doesn't 
>even get to think about it!  Finally, some owners don't remember that there 
>dog needs to be bathed periodically.  The same person who allowed his dog 
>to dump in the store usually forgot to do this and I could tell they were 
>coming by the strong dog odor that preceeded them!  In none of the cases I 
>have looked at in the last year, has any of these reasons been cited for 
>removing dogs from they're businesses!  The last, that guy in Kent County, 
>was only complaining about dog hair.  Well, people sometimes shed hair as 
>well and they don't get banned from places!  Sometimes people don't bathe 
>iether and are allowed to come in!  It amazes me on how lax businesses are 
>on that subject!  I've sat near some pretty ripe individualss who would 
>have put any dog to shame!  I have also seem folks get loud and obnoxious! 
>Kids and parents screamming and dirty diapers nice and ripe!  And those 
>folks get to stay!  I have only seen 2 instances where I would have kicked 
>out a dog team.  The first, I have already described.  The second was the 
>same guy.  Whenever he took his dog into a pet store his dog became 
>uncontrollable!  The more his dog misbehaved, the more the guy cussed and 
>hollered!  Pretty soon, it always became a great big sceen!  I have had 
>stores tell me that they would never ask a service dog team to leave.  I 
>usually inform them that they do have the right under certain circumstances 
>such as those abov.  My point in metioning this is that again, none of the 
>cases I've seen recently meet the criteria here and of course the security 
>guard, the law office owner and the restraunt manager had no cause to 
>remove the dogs and owners!
> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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