[nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal

[Larry D. Keeler]

Joe, that really was my point!  I was pointing out the reasons in which I 
would be in favor of removal and that from what I've seen so far, it hasn't 
been justified in these cases!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal


> Of course these are reasons for removing a service dog and even for 
> sanctioning the owner with say a cleaning fee.
>
> But, this was not done here clearly. This is a slam dunk case of illegal 
> discrimination.
>
> Whenever I see news stories or cases involving service dogs I've never 
> seen a one in recent years where the place of public accommodation has a 
> legitimate reason or even claims an excuse like the ones you site here 
> Larry.
>
> I'll let you know though when I find one.
>
> Joe
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "doggie" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:02 AM
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal
>
>
>>I believe that there only a few conditions where a store owner can legally 
>>ask a dog team to leave the location.  None of these did I see at State 
>>Convention.  I have seen the first from someone I knew though.  That is 
>>the dog relieving itself in the store.  I have seen many folks who seem 
>>too busy to relieve there dogs and take them into a business and wonder 
>>why they left a present or two.  The one guy in question I knew was guilty 
>>of not relieving his dog often enough and when he relieved himself in the 
>>store, he refused to accknowledge that his dog did it.  He argued with the 
>>manager and his wife cleaned it up.  Accidents do happen but if the owner 
>>refuses to take responsibility well they should be asked to leave.  Also, 
>>if the dog is obviously not under control.  Excessive barking, putting 
>>there noses into displays, snatching things off of shelves and wandering 
>>around by themselves come to mind.  Pretty much the same reasons I would 
>>remove my kids from a business as well.  My dog has tried to sniff those 
>>loaves of bread at Krogers they put nice and low by the counter.  I always 
>>correct her and divert her attention when she does that.  I would be 
>>worried she might sneak a bite while I was buying something so she doesn't 
>>even get to think about it!  Finally, some owners don't remember that 
>>there dog needs to be bathed periodically.  The same person who allowed 
>>his dog to dump in the store usually forgot to do this and I could tell 
>>they were coming by the strong dog odor that preceeded them!  In none of 
>>the cases I have looked at in the last year, has any of these reasons been 
>>cited for removing dogs from they're businesses!  The last, that guy in 
>>Kent County, was only complaining about dog hair.  Well, people sometimes 
>>shed hair as well and they don't get banned from places!  Sometimes people 
>>don't bathe iether and are allowed to come in!  It amazes me on how lax 
>>businesses are on that subject!  I've sat near some pretty ripe 
>>individualss who would have put any dog to shame!  I have also seem folks 
>>get loud and obnoxious! Kids and parents screamming and dirty diapers nice 
>>and ripe!  And those folks get to stay!  I have only seen 2 instances 
>>where I would have kicked out a dog team.  The first, I have already 
>>described.  The second was the same guy.  Whenever he took his dog into a 
>>pet store his dog became uncontrollable!  The more his dog misbehaved, the 
>>more the guy cussed and hollered!  Pretty soon, it always became a great 
>>big sceen!  I have had stores tell me that they would never ask a service 
>>dog team to leave.  I usually inform them that they do have the right 
>>under certain circumstances such as those abov.  My point in metioning 
>>this is that again, none of the cases I've seen recently meet the criteria 
>>here and of course the security guard, the law office owner and the 
>>restraunt manager had no cause to remove the dogs and owners!
>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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