[nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal

[joe harcz Comcast]

Yup.

Agreed.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal


> Joe, that really was my point!  I was pointing out the reasons in which I 
> would be in favor of removal and that from what I've seen so far, it 
> hasn't been justified in these cases!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
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> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal
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>
>> Of course these are reasons for removing a service dog and even for 
>> sanctioning the owner with say a cleaning fee.
>>
>> But, this was not done here clearly. This is a slam dunk case of illegal 
>> discrimination.
>>
>> Whenever I see news stories or cases involving service dogs I've never 
>> seen a one in recent years where the place of public accommodation has a 
>> legitimate reason or even claims an excuse like the ones you site here 
>> Larry.
>>
>> I'll let you know though when I find one.
>>
>> Joe
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "doggie" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:02 AM
>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal
>>
>>
>>>I believe that there only a few conditions where a store owner can 
>>>legally ask a dog team to leave the location.  None of these did I see at 
>>>State Convention.  I have seen the first from someone I knew though. 
>>>That is the dog relieving itself in the store.  I have seen many folks 
>>>who seem too busy to relieve there dogs and take them into a business and 
>>>wonder why they left a present or two.  The one guy in question I knew 
>>>was guilty of not relieving his dog often enough and when he relieved 
>>>himself in the store, he refused to accknowledge that his dog did it.  He 
>>>argued with the manager and his wife cleaned it up.  Accidents do happen 
>>>but if the owner refuses to take responsibility well they should be asked 
>>>to leave.  Also, if the dog is obviously not under control.  Excessive 
>>>barking, putting there noses into displays, snatching things off of 
>>>shelves and wandering around by themselves come to mind.  Pretty much the 
>>>same reasons I would remove my kids from a business as well.  My dog has 
>>>tried to sniff those loaves of bread at Krogers they put nice and low by 
>>>the counter.  I always correct her and divert her attention when she does 
>>>that.  I would be worried she might sneak a bite while I was buying 
>>>something so she doesn't even get to think about it!  Finally, some 
>>>owners don't remember that there dog needs to be bathed periodically. 
>>>The same person who allowed his dog to dump in the store usually forgot 
>>>to do this and I could tell they were coming by the strong dog odor that 
>>>preceeded them!  In none of the cases I have looked at in the last year, 
>>>has any of these reasons been cited for removing dogs from they're 
>>>businesses!  The last, that guy in Kent County, was only complaining 
>>>about dog hair.  Well, people sometimes shed hair as well and they don't 
>>>get banned from places!  Sometimes people don't bathe iether and are 
>>>allowed to come in!  It amazes me on how lax businesses are on that 
>>>subject!  I've sat near some pretty ripe individualss who would have put 
>>>any dog to shame!  I have also seem folks get loud and obnoxious! Kids 
>>>and parents screamming and dirty diapers nice and ripe!  And those folks 
>>>get to stay!  I have only seen 2 instances where I would have kicked out 
>>>a dog team.  The first, I have already described.  The second was the 
>>>same guy.  Whenever he took his dog into a pet store his dog became 
>>>uncontrollable!  The more his dog misbehaved, the more the guy cussed and 
>>>hollered!  Pretty soon, it always became a great big sceen!  I have had 
>>>stores tell me that they would never ask a service dog team to leave.  I 
>>>usually inform them that they do have the right under certain 
>>>circumstances such as those abov.  My point in metioning this is that 
>>>again, none of the cases I've seen recently meet the criteria here and of 
>>>course the security guard, the law office owner and the restraunt manager 
>>>had no cause to remove the dogs and owners!
>>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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