[nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline

joe harcz Comcast joeharcz at comcast.net
Sat Oct 22 03:44:36 UTC 2011


What the heck "attack" are you talking about? And what the heck are you 
talking about when you say"Talking behind my back," on a public list>?Even 
when I made an incorrect response because of focus issues I never attacked 
you or anyone else.

You cannot find that in the archives or in the public record. And your 
continued call for censorship is beyond the pale, (This isn't the first 
time you've *(Elizabeth)  either and is a part of the public record.() and a 
gross violation of NFB principles and American ones for that matter 
including the First amendment of the United States which is some fine 
reading that you just might enjoy.

Regardless I'm tired of being nice and I do not wish to associate with you 
or encourage your mind games. This isn't personal. For this garbage impacts 
the body politic and it detracts from the primary missions of NFB including 
"equality, opportunity, and security".

Listen once and for all Elizabeth when you're right in my studied opinion 
and in fact and in deed, I'll back you up to the hilt as I've done as 
recently as today. I've demonstrated that over and over again and again it's 
archived on this very list serve which is after all public and not behind 
anyone's back as you insanely suggest here.

But, when you go about in a sort of cuckoo fashion attacking me personally 
for things I never said in the first place in this very message and then 
continually calling for suborning my fundamental human and civil rights well 
I frankly, get a bit ticked off.

You don't like this or that that I say? Ok. Fair game. You disagree? Fair 
game. You think I'm an idiot? Fair game. This is a public list and has 
parameters.

But, Elizabeth something I will no longer even with folks pulling my fingers 
from this keyboard tolerate from you or anyone else. and that is a call for 
"censorship".

It is wrong and it is evil and it is the thing of Soviet communism and NAZI 
extremism that has led directly to the slaughter of millions of souls.

My God do you even have a notion as to the horror of the consequences of 
what you suggest in historic terms?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline


> Hello Joe,
>
> I can generally make sense of most people, however, I fail to understand 
> what you are trying to say in this message. Are you trying to address my 
> response to Fred, or are you responding to the posts I made about amending 
> our student division constitution? In either case, I do not believe such a 
> response was necessary.
>
> While I am totally in favor of the right to free speech, I am also in 
> favor of people treating each other with respect. Speaking for me and 
> about me behind my back is definitely not a sign of respect, and I 
> respectfully ask you to discontinue this rhetoric immediately! Apparently 
> simply blocking your emails does not make one immune to your personal 
> attacks. But seriously, how many times must someone ask you to treat 
> people with respect on this email list before actions are taken to remove 
> you from the list? I honestly hope this situation is resolved soon!
>
> Respectfully,
> Elizabeth
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:49 PM
>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline
>>
>> Hi Fred,
>>
>> Not to be anal or anything else, but I thoughtElizabeth was simply asking
>> for opinions. I didn't think they needed or requested anything more. 
>> Correct
>> me if wrong here Elizabeth, but wasn't that what you wanted?
>>
>> Regardless being cslightly confused myself I'm only wonderrring if the
>> division requires a vote on this thing and if that is what Elizabeth was
>> preficing?
>>
>> Regardless, I think that Elizabeth was using this list most appropriately 
>> in
>> trying to give us all an accessable "heads up" to what she is proposing.
>>
>> I also think that given the dirth of accessable venues to make such 
>> things
>> accessable to all that this is highly appropriate.
>>
>> in other words I think she was asking for suggestions as to the language,
>> etc. of her concerns which I think highly appropriate.
>>
>> Now, as per formalities, legalities and all that I just don't know.
>>
>> But, certainly I must say that if there are spelling or grammatical 
>> errors
>> or whatever in any Constitution it nmakes us look bad if nothing else
>> andshould be rectified.
>>
>> So far as this all goes I am in full agreement with what Elizabeth has 
>> done
>> as far as I understand it and I applaud, as I've done in the past her
>> efforts so far as they go in these regards too.
>>
>> My only contention on this issue being somewhat coulded here Fred by
>> receiving only snippets...Not the fault of anyon here...Is this:
>>
>> "This isn't the domain of Larry as you suggest per se." This should be a
>> Constitutional matter based upon rule of law, and the Constitution is the
>> law in our regards.
>>
>> Now do not get me wrong here and this is by no means an attack upon you,
>> Larry or Elizabeth in these matters.
>>
>> It is just that NFB MI is a duelly constituted board with 501 (c0 (3)
>> obligations and with other "fiduciary charges" of stewardship including 
>> in
>> its design and guiding principles and actions like its Constitution, as 
>> our
>> affiliates and all that too...
>>
>> Anyway, the only and I repeat only thing I have disagreement with here 
>> Fred
>> is that it isn't "larry's call" as you suggest.
>>
>> NFB is a democratic organization and it is thecall of the "body politic" 
>> in
>> this type of thing. that is the issue
>>
>> Thisis not personal in the least again by the way. My comments neither
>> disparage you, Larry or Elizabeth but state principles in fact, law and
>> equity that are not disputable.
>>
>>
>>
>> I
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Not my call.  Talk to larry or mary.  I'm just the messenger.
>>>
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Elizabeth
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:32 PM
>>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline
>>>
>>> Hello Fred,
>>>
>>> thank you for sending out this announcement. However, if we are 
>>> extending
>>> the date to reserve rooms for the convention, would it be possible to
>>> extend
>>> the deadline for pre-registration as well? If someone has not reserved a
>>> hotel room yet, being able to receive the pre-registration rates might
>>> serve
>>> as an incentive for booking a room. Just my thoughts for whatever they 
>>> may
>>> be worth.
>>>
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:14 PM
>>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>;
>>> "Michigan Comm for the Blind Vision 20/20 List"
>>> <MCB2020-L at LISTSERV.MICHIGAN.GOV>
>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Convention Co-chairperson, Mary Wurtzel,  has asked me to send out the
>>>> following.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The deadline for registering for rooms at the kalamazoo Clarion Hotel
>>>> is october 25.  Our block of rooms will be released after that and
>>>> rates and rooms may not be available.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To make reservations call 269-385-3922.  To be eligible for convention
>>>> room rates of $79.99 you must make a reservation and be registered for
>>>> the convention.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For information contact larry Posont, President at 517-482-1800 or
>>>> mary Wurtzel at 517-485-0326.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We all look forward to seeing our friends and colleagues in Kalamazoo
>>>> november 4-6 for an exciting and action-packed weekend of changing
>>>> what it means to be blind in Michigan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fred Wurtzel
>>>>
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