[nfbmi-talk] Fw: Recall: GovernorSnydertoIssueNewExecutiveOrder Next Week

Tue Apr 17 18:51:44 UTC 2012

I guess that your ox issn't gored here Fred being that you look upon these 
things from afar in your imperious manner which once genuflected to 
Grandholm and now genuflects to an obscure governor.

Patriotism doesn't just reference nationalism or cultissm. But in our 
instance amonst those who happen to be blind or otherwise disabled goes to 
fundamentals once again of human, civil and constituational rights.

Amonst those are basics of the right to know. Yup we have the right, and the 
absolute right to know no matter what and no matter whom are supposed 
"governors" are, whether Democrat, republican or whatever...We have the 
absolute right to know what the flying fig they are doing and what they ae 
planning. I am aghast at some including you on this list that don't think 
we, as blind folks have equal rights to know like regular sighted folks 
about all of this. I'm astounded that you and others defer to a Governor who 
doesn't know jack about blindness or the law or anything else for that 
matter relative to our rights, the laws guiding them, etc.

I was astounded by that fact by so many by the way again under Grandholm and 
Cannon who happened to be so--called Democrats.

Both are pathetic paradigms.

I have been totally astounded that whistle blowers from both the right and 
the left and even inquirers like myself have been so vilified by so many 
including those in NFB, ACB and Republicans and Democrats.

Wow, what in the world has happened to basic civics>?

Again it is more than my suspician that all of this, or a vast majority of 
it all boils down to a sort of patronage system over all. For Cannon and his 
kindred spirits have held in their bloody hands basic lifelihood and basic 
sustinence. Yup, that is the nature of patronage.

Now, this governor and his minions more appropriately speaking really, have 
taken to want to take federal funds which have been misappropriated in the 
past due to patronage and then again steal more fed monies under false 
pretenses than they did before. Then the likes of you, Fred, and donald 
Bowman wish to point to the abuses of the Democratic Party types while not 
looking at current and potential abuses of Republican types here. It is in a 
word, "Absurd."

And do not get me wrong for I have been vilified from both the so-called 
right and the so-called left for pointing out waste, fraud and abuse of the 
current system.

Listen to me now and listen to me clearly everyone including Fred here.

David Robinson has been a clear cut fighter for the rights of the blind and 
for PWD for decades. We differ on politics and have ever since we met more 
than 12 years ago since I came back to Michigan.

Doesn't matter in the least...

for we've always agreed that in the vcivil rights and constitutional 
construction of all things considerred that an injustice to one is an 
injustice to everyone as Martin Luther King said.

And David, and indeed, with all due humility me, have always been right in 
that we, the blind need to be afforded the same basic and human and 
constitutional rights as afforded to others! Can't you all get that?

Can't you all in the NFB or MCBVI or lurkers get we must be afforded equal 
protection under law and due process of law under the 14th Amendment of the 
Unitied States Constitution just like non-blind folks?

Can't you all figure this out and that this all boils down not to 
entitlements, but rather to rights?

Ok this ain't all about anything but personal stuff right?

Well this battle for civil rights wasn't just about the rightful right of 
Chris Boone to be reinstated contrary to what Mary Wertzel said at the last 
NFB state convention and at the table of the resolutions committee. Sure it 
was about the abuse and the misues of Christine. But, just as importantly it 
was all about the violations of the rights of people who are blind to engage 
in protected civil rights including the rights to shoot stupid freaking bb 
guns forcrying out loud if indeed sighted folks have those same rigthts.

It ain't about this or that job, or this or that position in other words. 
Universal truths and universal realities must apply or we are all doomed. 
For we'll be picked off one by one right and left and middle.

We need to have some basic civics taught to our blind youth let alone our 
leadershiop.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Recall: GovernorSnydertoIssueNewExecutiveOrder 
Next Week

>I beg to differ with you, Dave. I expect what the honorable governor has 
>done, he did as a result of ignorance and poor planning on the part of the 
>individuals from whom he gets his information. It does no good to think the 
>worst of every one we must deal with. It would be a better idea to give 
>them the benefit of the doubt and attempt to treat them in a manner which 
>we ourselves would choose to be dealt with. Perhapse a meeting with this 
>organization where we could present our views and why we hold them rather 
>than tearing down the individual for what he is trying to do, and that is 
>to save the state some money while at the same time making a very difficult 
>situation one which is workable and to the advantage of all parties 
>concerned.
>
> Fred Olver
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Robinson" <drob1946 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Recall: Governor 
> SnydertoIssueNewExecutiveOrder Next Week
>
>
>> Dear Don,
>>
>>   I am sure he does not want to give up federal funding, but he and 
>> others
>> in State government have a desire to take awaycivil rights which have 
>> been
>> fought for over the years.  Don't be fooled by expressions of good
>> intentions.  The characters involved in the destruction of services to 
>> the
>> blind have demonstrated through their actions that they have no such
>> intentions and only wish to control and have power over the lives of 
>> blind
>> persons and our right to live equally in this world.
>>
>> Dave Robinson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Donald R. bowman
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:16 AM
>> To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Recall: Governor Snyder
>> toIssueNewExecutiveOrder Next Week
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the Governor will be tweaking the previous Executive 
>> order
>> to insure that no Federal funding is lost.
>> I don't believe it is the Governor's intent to give up programs that are
>> Federally  funded.
>>
>>
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