[nfbmi-talk] Fw: Recall: GovernorSnydertoIssueNewExecutiveOrder Next Week

Tue Apr 17 18:16:30 UTC 2012

I beg to differ with you and others here Fred. This isn't a partisan issue. 
This is an issue of fundamental democracy with a small d. It is an issue of 
open, transparent and accountable governance and has been all along. It is 
an issue of federal prerogatives and federal civil rights afforded to all 
and a countenance to fundamental civil and constitutional civil rights 
afforded to all as well.

More than that, but included in that is a countenance to the fundamental and 
primary purpose of our federal government and the primacy of rule of law 
over the rule of man.

For too damned long the rule of man in this state over all and in this 
country and related to the rights of the blind as an inclusive part of that 
have been dominated by partisan whims and caprices of political parties and 
those of the "spoils" system.

This is sick garbage.

I have been along with others like Tenbroek, to name a few here consistent 
on that account throughout and I'll be consistent to the end.

Regardless, no matter what Party or whatever dominates our affairs and in 
spite of constitutional guarantees of checks and balances which are twisted 
here in Michigan beyond any notion, in documented form of extortions beyond 
all belief, we need to again have openness, transparency and accountability.

None of that has been forthcoming under any administration here in Michigan. 
But, I will say this: The technocrats including Zimmer, Cannon, et al are 
acting in secret and unaccountable fashions under this administration beyond 
my wildest of dreams and they make Grandholm who wasn't  a saint or pussycat 
on these matters by any definition  look like a pussycat of obliqueness if 
that was even possible.

Bottom line though as I've stated in the past we are not supposed to be 
separate of the civil rights and Constitutional angles of our governance, 
whether state, local or federal. We, the blind are not a separate party or 
distinct of the endowed human rights and other rights of this republic and 
nor are we devoid of responsibilities as citizens to demonstrate our rights 
in that collective bargain called government.

And McB  nor the State of Michigan isn't supposed to be a plutocracy, or a 
totalitarian "big brother" either. It ain't a charity. It ain't again a 
plutocracy, or isn't supposed to be one. And this does go to we who are 
blind because we ain't supposed to be devoid basic of Constitutional rights 
and inalienable rights of basic citensry anymore than anyone else for that 
matter!

Now, while I personally as I've stated publicly am decidedly left of center 
for whatever that is worth it is irrelevent to this debate. For once again 
under this Executive Order alone this Governor and his minions has violated 
in documented fashion all sorts of laws from again the OMA, to the Rehab Act 
to the FOIA.

And if you don't like the rule of law then you either like the rule of 
totalitarianism, or outright anarchy or the rule of fascism.

All are a bhorent to the rights of the blind, enshrined by notions of great 
civil rights leaders like Tenbroek who sought for us to be equal citizens in 
this democratic-republic.

By the way Fred Oliver, I've  been known to fight for your rights and others 
in Missouri to the pension and other issues you all get in that state.

I'll tell you outright that I think your notions here from afar intruding on 
my basic and fundamental human, constitutional and other rights in this 
regarrds is most abhorent, odious and perfidious.

I have other words for this infamy but let it stand that "bullshit" suffices 
to state my state of mind at your offense again from afar as to our state 
here.

How dare you, Fred put forth this crap to us who are suffering so much while 
you and, again you personally profit from federal activists like myself who 
crosses against the grain in some cases by the way over the so-called NFB 
and ACB divide?

Sit there in Missouri hunkering down with your state and other benefits that 
the likes of me and others have fought for and then continue to spit in our 
face!

That is totallyoutragious! Totally!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Recall: GovernorSnydertoIssueNewExecutiveOrder 
Next Week

>I beg to differ with you, Dave. I expect what the honorable governor has 
>done, he did as a result of ignorance and poor planning on the part of the 
>individuals from whom he gets his information. It does no good to think the 
>worst of every one we must deal with. It would be a better idea to give 
>them the benefit of the doubt and attempt to treat them in a manner which 
>we ourselves would choose to be dealt with. Perhapse a meeting with this 
>organization where we could present our views and why we hold them rather 
>than tearing down the individual for what he is trying to do, and that is 
>to save the state some money while at the same time making a very difficult 
>situation one which is workable and to the advantage of all parties 
>concerned.
>
> Fred Olver
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Robinson" <drob1946 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Recall: Governor 
> SnydertoIssueNewExecutiveOrder Next Week
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>
>> Dear Don,
>>
>>   I am sure he does not want to give up federal funding, but he and 
>> others
>> in State government have a desire to take awaycivil rights which have 
>> been
>> fought for over the years.  Don't be fooled by expressions of good
>> intentions.  The characters involved in the destruction of services to 
>> the
>> blind have demonstrated through their actions that they have no such
>> intentions and only wish to control and have power over the lives of 
>> blind
>> persons and our right to live equally in this world.
>>
>> Dave Robinson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Donald R. bowman
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:16 AM
>> To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Recall: Governor Snyder
>> toIssueNewExecutiveOrder Next Week
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the Governor will be tweaking the previous Executive 
>> order
>> to insure that no Federal funding is lost.
>> I don't believe it is the Governor's intent to give up programs that are
>> Federally  funded.
>>
>>
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