[nfbmi-talk] Fw: Fw: Recall:GovernorSnydertoIssueNewExecutiveOrderNext Week
joe harcz Comcast
joeharcz at comcast.net
Tue Apr 17 23:02:40 UTC 2012
Dear Mr. Bowman,
Yes, I am angry. I'm angry with those who use anyone including we who are
blind like a political football including now yourself.
I'm angry with the arrogance of power and with those who stick their heads
in the federal troughs of taxpayers dollars snorting like pigs and then act
like they are doing us favors while they purportedly liberate us all. I
think from past contributions to say the MCB 20-20 list that you sshared
this anger.
But, then again is it all about stupid party politics and not first
principles sir? I mean are you simply sucking up to a Republican
administration after now close to a decade of virtual silence for political
considerations? What a transparent crock of crap that is. Especially when
you've knwon that I've been a critic of the MCB Administration for cause
through several Administrations including Engler, Grandholm and now, Snyder.
Now, contrary to what many have portrayed me I value all who are blindand I
also value trully, and most sinserely those even if misguided, but also
dedicated to our liberation. That includes by the by the many O and M
instructors who deserve every sheckel they were given in assisting me in
getting from point a to b and repeating it once again.
I won't mention folks here because my nmere mention damns them with feight
praise and also along with other competent professionals opens them up for
retaliation by a monstrous regime under Cannon and his dictatorial bovine
scatology.\
But, here's the deal.... If the Governor wised to get rid of waste, fraud
and abuse then he had ample stuff given to him by, amonst others yours
trullly.\
It is like the crap in Wayne County. The issue is to with due process of law
to get rid of the crooks and not to circumvent "due process and equal
protection unde the law" as guaranteed by our Constitution.
We, who happen to be blind are not guranteed equality per se under this
government; and nor are we guaranteed even some sort of perks; but we are by
all that is right and Holy and all that is constitutional including the
ADA/504 etc. equall rights togovernmentally funded orgs and functions. And
we sure and Hell are guaranteed equal rights of opportunity under law and
equity.
If my status as a blind person is diminished in your eyes along with others
because I am blind and you think so then just state that outright ok?
Don't dance around the issue for decadesplease when what you really wanted
was a Republican charity organization or something nebulus like that ok?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald R. bowman" <donaldbowman at blindmassage.com>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:11 PM
Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Fw:
Recall:GovernorSnydertoIssueNewExecutiveOrderNext Week
> Dear Mr. Harcz,
>
> You certainly sound angry.
> I have to say, you have out done yourself;
> anyone who can rant the way you do is certainly a talented individual.
> What a fantastic vocabulary!
> What passion!
>
> I salute you, my friend!
> You go buddy, Give 'em Heck!
> Maybe, someday, something good will come of it!
> DRB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Recall:
> GovernorSnydertoIssueNewExecutiveOrderNext Week
>
>
>>I wonder how anyone can talk about honorable governance and talk about the
>>implied benelevence of the same the very goverment that screws us all in
>>the same time and with the same brath. and ignorance of state and federal
>>laws all at the same time. Isn't this a bit like asking a rape victim
>>andone horribly abused and tortured to boot to not only bow down,
>>genuflect and other wise to plead fealty to her offendors and abusers but
>>also to have her act as a recuitor, and then for those recuited to say,
>>"Well I got recruited and all tht and why are you attacking the recruitors
>>of this stuff? I mean I got a real good job with those recrutors or had
>>one once upon a time a long time ago and..."
>>
>> Listen we either have federal and state criterion for laws or we do not
>> and that goes to funding and federal resources, let alone civil rights
>> obligations rightfully told here in plain language by Dave Robinson! He
>> is right on and more right on and in case you haven't noticed it even
>> more right on in these pithy terms.
>>
>> I am as outraged by your comments not only to those of we who are blind
>> in the mastery over our conditions, fait, and our political outcomes as I
>> am to the assault upon fundamental democracy which we all should have a
>> stake in, and, after all else is grist for the mill on this list as we,
>> the blind, the organized blind, are to be masters of our own faiths or at
>> very least to be included, simply included in the process of these
>> things.
>>
>> I can't believe that any person who is blind whether democrat,
>> Republican, or visa versa; whether agnostic, atheist, Muslim, or Jew; or
>> Catholic or Baptist or anything in-between can think that we, as
>> organized blind folks, let alone sovereign individuals can be left out of
>> the democratic functions that govern us! It is outrageous sir!
>>
>> This outrage goes in many cases to NFB and ACB and non-affiliated members
>> themselves and many of whom I love, but am outraged against.
>>
>> We cannot argue on the one hand for self-determination, sovereignty over
>> our own affairs, whether small or large, and at the other hand work at
>> cross purposes and cut our own selves and notions of information, let
>> alone self-determination to be cut off at the pass as you suggest in some
>> sort of blind fealty to some sovereign, and in this case Republican
>> master, or executive who knows not one thing about blindness, and in my
>> mind and again in documented form nothing about the democratic process
>> prescribed in law.
>>
>> If you all wish to give up good and equal governance for security might I
>> remind you all of the words of Benjamin Franklin who said, "Those who
>> give up a measure of liberty for security will garner neither."
>>
>> And for that matter let me quote Franklin once again when he said to his
>> fellow revolutionaries at the advent of the revolution, "We must hang
>> together or surely we will hang separately."
>>
>> Fred, sir and with all due respect I not only am incensed with your words
>> and your sell out to us as blind people. But I'm outraged at your sell
>> out here to anything remotely in line with the American tradition of law,
>> equity and fundamentals of the democratic process as you seem to think
>> that things are peachy as to give up everything to some sort of sovereign
>> like Governor Snyder!
>>
>> Giving up basic liberties as defined by the United States Constitution,
>> and to laws relative to though the blind is anathema to all I am.
>>
>> And I have been constant in these regards whether they come from a
>> Democratic or Republican administration or whether corruption, waste, and
>> fraud and abuse comes for that matter from Republicans or democrats.
>>
>> We aren't supposed to be a charitable government like the Lions Club. We
>> are supposed to be a government of law, based upon constitutional
>> principles, with equal opportunity, due process and protections for all.
>>
>> I, for one will not hold out my hand to the tyrant no matter who they are
>> like the character in Taurus Bulba to only have his hand cut off by the
>> same tyrant!
>>
>>
>> I study politics, economics, and that includes those of we persons with
>> disabilities including those who are blind. I've studiedly history. And
>> we are doomed to repeat a miserable history if we don't get our
>> collective act together and damned quick.
>>
>> For those who fear their current positions, and their meager stipends
>> whatever the context, whether it be a nominal job with MCB or a contract
>> or whatever let me tell you this is gone and a thing of the past.
>>
>> We are the proverbial Jews in the Warsaw ghetto being picked off one by
>> one and then with another swipe of the sword the rest of us will be gone
>> like five millions of Catholic Poles in WW II.
>>
>> Oh before folks think me hyperbolic here let me tell you all and remind
>> you all of the first who were gassed in the Nazi exterminations. They
>> were the 1000,9000 persons with disabilities in the T3 camps in 1940. All
>> were persons with disabilities including thousands who were blind.
>>
>> Now, while I disagree with President Maurer on a number of things and
>> while I disagree with his political sentiments not being a Republican he
>> is most correct in the general ramifications of the denigration of basic
>> and fundamental rights and to our fundamental rights to access the very
>> system of our purported liberation over all else.
>>
>> My Lord how bizarre it is to have a Vocational Rehabilitation system that
>> is not over all else fully accessible to people with physical and sensory
>> disabilities as it was intended to be and as a condition of Section 504.
>>
>> Is this supposed to be a pass through to the state governments without
>> oversight or discharger even basic accountabilities these VR and IL
>> funds?
>>
>> Or are they just perks with crumbs being doled out to a few PWD sellouts
>> with the rest going to state general funds?
>>
>> If the latter is the case then I say, "Bllow the thing up and let the
>> states screw themselves."
>>
>> If these are meant to be federally funded and mandated programs based
>> upon not only federal civil rights mandates, but also a majority of
>> federal funding then I say, "Do what the laws require and don't give a
>> sop, by sim[ple and stupid and cupidity like responses to vagrent and
>> malavelent powers that steal these friking monies from purposes they were
>> mandated for and for the purposes they were mandated for to begin with."
>>
>> And no excuses either here for either Republican or Democrats, or
>> independents for that matter.
>>
>> Law, equity and federally funded programs should be above all that sort
>> of bull shit! So should America, but in this last sentence I do
>> digress...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Recall:
>> GovernorSnydertoIssueNewExecutiveOrder Next Week
>>
>>
>>>I beg to differ with you, Dave. I expect what the honorable governor has
>>>done, he did as a result of ignorance and poor planning on the part of
>>>the individuals from whom he gets his information. It does no good to
>>>think the worst of every one we must deal with. It would be a better idea
>>>to give them the benefit of the doubt and attempt to treat them in a
>>>manner which we ourselves would choose to be dealt with. Perhapse a
>>>meeting with this organization where we could present our views and why
>>>we hold them rather than tearing down the individual for what he is
>>>trying to do, and that is to save the state some money while at the same
>>>time making a very difficult situation one which is workable and to the
>>>advantage of all parties concerned.
>>>
>>> Fred Olver
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Robinson" <drob1946 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:24 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Recall: Governor
>>> SnydertoIssueNewExecutiveOrder Next Week
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Don,
>>>>
>>>> I am sure he does not want to give up federal funding, but he and
>>>> others
>>>> in State government have a desire to take awaycivil rights which have
>>>> been
>>>> fought for over the years. Don't be fooled by expressions of good
>>>> intentions. The characters involved in the destruction of services to
>>>> the
>>>> blind have demonstrated through their actions that they have no such
>>>> intentions and only wish to control and have power over the lives of
>>>> blind
>>>> persons and our right to live equally in this world.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Robinson
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Donald R. bowman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:16 AM
>>>> To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Recall: Governor Snyder
>>>> toIssueNewExecutiveOrder Next Week
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure the Governor will be tweaking the previous Executive
>>>> order
>>>> to insure that no Federal funding is lost.
>>>> I don't believe it is the Governor's intent to give up programs that
>>>> are
>>>> Federally funded.
>>>>
>>>>
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