[nfbmi-talk] all in violation

Marcus Simmons MarcusSimmons at comcast.net
Wed Feb 1 13:31:25 CST 2012


If they(lawyers) sue them(MCB and the like), you and me (citizens of 
Michigan) will have to pay for it!
Don't think we can win. However, don't stop requesting they make it right.
Changing what it means to be blind,
Marcus Simmons, vice-president,
Western-Wayne chapter
28179 Brentwood
Southfield, MI 48076-3069
Marcus.Simmons at interbizusa.com
(248) 552-8928
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] all in violation


> By the way I've sent these items over months and years including this one 
> to Elmer Cerano at MPAS, Mark Cody their lead lawyer and Richard 
> Bernstein....
>
> Why in the world don't these folks sue the State for these ongoing and 
> systemic violations?
>
> Then they'll be cleaned up once and for all!
>
> Joe
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Matt McCubbin" <mgoalball at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] all in violation
>
>
>> Joe,
>> Thank you for sending this. You're absolutely correct, the documents on 
>> the page you referred to are image-based PDF's, which are completely 
>> inaccessible using screen-reading software.
>> The page is located at
>> http://www.michigan.gov/budget/0,1607,7-157-13406_13431---RSS,00.html
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> On 2/1/2012 9:33 AM, joe harcz Comcast wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Did you get the full page with the State Budget Office and the monthly 
>>> financial reports?
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt McCubbin" <mgoalball at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] all in violation
>>>
>>>
>>>> Joe,
>>>> I'm not seeing anything referring to November or October on the page 
>>>> you sent to the list. You sent
>>>> http://apps.michigan.gov/MiTransparency/Category
>>>> Which category did you click on?
>>>> If we want to make positive change for the state of Michigan's budget 
>>>> website, we need to be specific. Which specific files, including links, 
>>>> aren't accessible?
>>>> I'm not trying to argue with you, every document on the state of 
>>>> Michigan's website should be accessible using screen-reading software. 
>>>> However myself, and I'm sure others on this list, would like examples 
>>>> of which documents are inaccessible.
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Matt
>>>> On 1/31/2012 9:12 PM, joe harcz Comcast wrote:
>>>>> Actually I click on them and then used my adobe accessability check 
>>>>> and told me it was an image and "appeared to contain no text"...
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not check out each and every document but november and october 
>>>>> were enough...
>>>>>
>>>>> Moreover, it happenns all the time on various sites.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottom line is that these documents are required to be accessible 
>>>>> right out of the box and not just the web sites.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt McCubbin" 
>>>>> <mgoalball at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:34 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] all in violation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>> Can you provide some examples? I clicked on several of the links on 
>>>>>> that page, and they were accessible with my screen-reading software.
>>>>>> One would infer from your post that each and every document on 
>>>>>> Michigan's state budget website is inaccessible. However, this simply 
>>>>>> isn't the case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> On 1/31/2012 7:59 PM, joe harcz Comcast wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's a massive issue facing the blind in Michigan each and every 
>>>>>>> document on the State Budget office web site is an image based pdf 
>>>>>>> file right here at:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://apps.michigan.gov/MiTransparency/Category
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