[nfbmi-talk] all in violation

joe harcz Comcast joeharcz at comcast.net
Wed Feb 1 13:52:02 CST 2012


They need to be sued individually for systemic violations of our civil 
rights...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marcus Simmons" <MarcusSimmons at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] all in violation


> If they(lawyers) sue them(MCB and the like), you and me (citizens of 
> Michigan) will have to pay for it!
> Don't think we can win. However, don't stop requesting they make it right.
> Changing what it means to be blind,
> Marcus Simmons, vice-president,
> Western-Wayne chapter
> 28179 Brentwood
> Southfield, MI 48076-3069
> Marcus.Simmons at interbizusa.com
> (248) 552-8928
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] all in violation
>
>
>> By the way I've sent these items over months and years including this one 
>> to Elmer Cerano at MPAS, Mark Cody their lead lawyer and Richard 
>> Bernstein....
>>
>> Why in the world don't these folks sue the State for these ongoing and 
>> systemic violations?
>>
>> Then they'll be cleaned up once and for all!
>>
>> Joe
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Matt McCubbin" <mgoalball at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] all in violation
>>
>>
>>> Joe,
>>> Thank you for sending this. You're absolutely correct, the documents on 
>>> the page you referred to are image-based PDF's, which are completely 
>>> inaccessible using screen-reading software.
>>> The page is located at
>>> http://www.michigan.gov/budget/0,1607,7-157-13406_13431---RSS,00.html
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/1/2012 9:33 AM, joe harcz Comcast wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Did you get the full page with the State Budget Office and the monthly 
>>>> financial reports?
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt McCubbin" 
>>>> <mgoalball at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] all in violation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Joe,
>>>>> I'm not seeing anything referring to November or October on the page 
>>>>> you sent to the list. You sent
>>>>> http://apps.michigan.gov/MiTransparency/Category
>>>>> Which category did you click on?
>>>>> If we want to make positive change for the state of Michigan's budget 
>>>>> website, we need to be specific. Which specific files, including 
>>>>> links, aren't accessible?
>>>>> I'm not trying to argue with you, every document on the state of 
>>>>> Michigan's website should be accessible using screen-reading software. 
>>>>> However myself, and I'm sure others on this list, would like examples 
>>>>> of which documents are inaccessible.
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> On 1/31/2012 9:12 PM, joe harcz Comcast wrote:
>>>>>> Actually I click on them and then used my adobe accessability check 
>>>>>> and told me it was an image and "appeared to contain no text"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not check out each and every document but november and october 
>>>>>> were enough...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moreover, it happenns all the time on various sites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bottom line is that these documents are required to be accessible 
>>>>>> right out of the box and not just the web sites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt McCubbin" 
>>>>>> <mgoalball at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:34 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] all in violation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>> Can you provide some examples? I clicked on several of the links on 
>>>>>>> that page, and they were accessible with my screen-reading software.
>>>>>>> One would infer from your post that each and every document on 
>>>>>>> Michigan's state budget website is inaccessible. However, this 
>>>>>>> simply isn't the case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>> On 1/31/2012 7:59 PM, joe harcz Comcast wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here's a massive issue facing the blind in Michigan each and every 
>>>>>>>> document on the State Budget office web site is an image based pdf 
>>>>>>>> file right here at:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://apps.michigan.gov/MiTransparency/Category
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