[nfbmi-talk] Fw: FOIA Response to Request of 1-20-12 - Date ofLARA ADA Coordinator
joe harcz Comcast
joeharcz at comcast.net
Sat Feb 11 01:15:52 UTC 2012
Regardless the name, adress, phone and other contact information of the
ADA/504 responsabile designee isn't a FOIA item and these stupid idiots
violate both laws at the first instance in making it so....What clowns they
are and how badly need we sue them?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christine _boone" <christine_boone at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: FOIA Response to Request of 1-20-12 - Date
ofLARA ADA Coordinator
> What is Mr. Thomas'first name?
>
> Boone Christine Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 10, 2012, at 5:56 PM, "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: joe harcz Comcast
>> To: Haynes, Carla (LARA)
>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 5:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: FOIA Response to Request of 1-20-12 - Date of LARA ADA
>> Coordinator
>>
>>
>> Dear Ms. Haynes, et all,
>>
>> Clearly this is a required notice going back to 504 days, and clearly
>> this goes to the continuing obligation under the Americans with
>> Disabilities Act of 1990, and its implmenting regulations that makes this
>> requirement not a FOIA item and not just a tag you are it item but,
>> rather a living and breathing actuality. Note that today is February 10,
>> 2012. How long do we people who are blind need to have the actuality of
>> these laws and implementing regulations adhered to and not to be
>> continually tossed off and diverted and subsequently hoisted upon the
>> petards you and other state actors blow up in our faces over and over
>> again? Petard by the way means "bomb"!
>>
>> You and this agency and this state are documented bomb throwers,
>> continually violating one law with another and coumpounding the issue by
>> further throwing more bombs in our directions towards, and blowing up our
>> individual and collective, civil rights.
>>
>> Now, Pat Cannon was so-called State ADA coordinator and MCB Director for
>> a goodly amount of the decade and yet in demonstrable form including this
>> very posting he violated and continued abject violations of the ADA.
>>
>> Now you say this Thomas was ADA coordinator or rather responsible
>> designee for the past five years and yet no one has heard of him in this
>> account or regards, but then you'll say you'll research it. Shoot even
>> LARA itself didn't exist in the first bloody place until the current
>> Administration created it in roughly January of 2011. So how in the Sam
>> Hill could have this individual have been the responsible designee for
>> the last five years as you reference. I'll denote that Bill Milzarski,
>> Duncan Wyath and others have in the public record and in their do nothing
>> capacity have been said DELEG and LARA do nothing ADA coordinators as the
>> public record denotes which is to say they did nothing to remove physical
>> or communications barriers to this date let alone eliminate the
>> discriminatory practices you attest to right here and now! And again
>> Cannon was State ADA Coordinator, former Chair of the U.S. Access Board
>> and yet to this very date the very agency he gets paid for, Michigan
>> Commission for the Blind let alone other state of Michigan agencies
>> violate routinely as this very message in and of itself attests my and
>> other's civil rights.
>>
>> All of this is totally illegal, suppersisillious and totally nuts let
>> alone a gross documentation of massive and intentional violations of
>> civil rights of all people with disabilities for more than two decades
>> and indeed prior to that.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.
>>
>> cc: NFB MI
>> cc: MCB Commissioners
>> cc: Arwood, Farmer, et al LARA
>> cc: DOJ, \cc:OCR, Ed.
>> cc: several attorneys at law
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Haynes, Carla (LARA)
>> To: joe harcz Comcast (joeharcz at comcast.net)
>> Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) ; Farmer, Mel (LARA) ; Turney, Susan (LARA) ;
>> Luzenski, Sue (LARA) ; Duell, Elsie (LARA)
>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 4:56 PM
>> Subject: FOIA Response to Request of 1-20-12 - Date of LARA ADA
>> Coordinator
>>
>>
>> February 10, 2012
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.
>>
>> E-mail: joeharcz at comcast.net
>>
>> 1365 E. Mt. Morris Rd.
>>
>> Mt. Morris, MI 48458
>>
>>
>>
>> Re: Date which Mr. Thomas became LARA ADA Coordinator
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr. Harcz, Jr.:
>>
>>
>>
>> This letter is in response to your January 20, 2012, email request for
>> copies of public records, received January 23, 2012. Please be informed
>> that the Department's Michigan Commission for the Blind (MCB) is
>> processing this request under the state's Freedom of Information Act
>> (FOIA), MCL 15.231 et seq.
>>
>>
>>
>> You have requested information that you described as: "Could you tell
>> me the date in which Mr. Thomas became LARA ADA coordinator?" I have
>> also attached a copy of the correspondence from which your question was
>> generated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your request is denied as to existing, nonexempt records in the
>> possession of the Department falling within the scope of your request.
>> To the best of the Department's knowledge, information or belief no
>> documents exist under that name or any other name reasonably known to the
>> Department. We are unable to find a document stating or announcing Mr.
>> Thomas' appointment to this position. In the spirit of cooperation, I
>> can tell you that Mr. Thomas has performed this duty for more than 5
>> years.
>>
>>
>>
>> Under MCL 15.240 of the FOIA you may (1) submit a written appeal
>> regarding the denial of any portion of your FOIA request to Mr. Steven H.
>> Hilfinger, Director, Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory
>> Affairs: Attention, Mike Zimmer, Chief Deputy Director, Ottawa Building,
>> 4th Floor, P.O. Box 30004, Lansing, MI 48909. Your appeal notice must
>> include the word "appeal" and state the reason(s) for reversal of the
>> denial(s); or (2) you may seek judicial review in circuit court within
>> 180 days of the Department's final determination. If you prevail in such
>> action, the court shall award reasonable attorney fees, costs, and
>> disbursements. If the court finds the Department's actions to be
>> arbitrary and capricious, the court, in addition to any actual or
>> compensatory damages, award punitive damages in the amount of $500.00.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>> Carla Miller Haynes, FOIA Coordinator
>>
>> Michigan Commission for the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachment:
>>
>> 1. Email of 1/20/2012 received 1/23/2012
>>
>>
>>
>> cc: Patrick Cannon
>>
>> Mel Farmer
>>
>> Susan Turney
>>
>> Elsie Duell
>>
>>
>>
>> From: joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:46 AM
>>
>> To: Haynes, Carla (LARA)
>>
>> Subject: Re: Response to FOIA Request of 1-8-12
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Carla,
>>
>>
>> Could you tell me the date in which Mr. Thomas became LARA ADA
>> coordinator?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Haynes, Carla (LARA)
>>
>> To: joe harcz Comcast (joeharcz at comcast.net)
>>
>> Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) ; Farmer, Mel (LARA) ; Turney, Susan (LARA) ;
>> Duell, Elsie (LARA) ;
>>
>> Luzenski, Sue (LARA)
>>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:45 AM
>>
>> Subject: Response to FOIA Request of 1-8-12
>>
>>
>>
>> January 20, 2012
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.
>>
>> E-mail: joeharcz at comcast.net
>>
>> 1365 E. Mt. Morris Rd.
>>
>> Mt. Morris, MI 48458
>>
>>
>>
>> Re: Draft Minutes & Audio Recording(s) of December 20, 2011 Meetings,
>>
>> et al
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr. Harcz, Jr.:
>>
>>
>>
>> This letter is in response to your January 8, 2012, email request for
>> copies
>>
>> of public records, received on January 9, 2012 in this office. Please
>> be
>>
>> informed that the Department's Michigan Commission for the Blind (MCB)
>>
>> is processing this request under the state's Freedom of Information Act
>>
>> (FOIA), MCL 15.231 et seq.
>>
>>
>>
>> You have requested information as described in your email, a copy of
>>
>> which is below.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your request is granted as to existing, nonexempt records in the
>>
>> possession of this department responsive to your request.
>>
>>
>>
>> The draft minutes of the December 8 & 9, 2011, MCB Commission Board
>>
>> Meeting were previously sent to you via email on January 13, 2012. The
>>
>> draft minutes for the Michigan Commission for the Blind Commission
>>
>> Meeting of December 20, 2011, are below and attached to this email.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your request for a copy of Mr. Patrick Cannon's annual evaluation along
>>
>> with the Commissioner's "scoring" of same and the letter sent to Mr.
>>
>> Arwood in those regards (and copied to Governor Snyder) was also sent to
>>
>> you in the same email on January 13, 2011.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your request for an email sent by Mr. Patrick Cannon to Mr. Larry Posont
>>
>> which you describe as: "blaming him for your continued violations of
>> the
>>
>> ADA, Section 504 and the Michigan Open Meetings Act in this regards"
>>
>> does not exist to the best of the Department's knowledge, information or
>>
>> belief under your description. I have attached an email Mr. Cannon sent
>> to
>>
>> Mr. Posont in regards to MCB Board Correspondence and Commission
>>
>> minutes. This email is attached and below.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your request for the name and address of the Michigan Department of
>>
>> Licensing and Regulatory Affairs "ADA" coordinator and an accessible
>>
>> copy of LARA's required grievance procedure is granted. Attached and
>>
>> below is the State of Michigan, Department of Licensing and Regulatory
>>
>> Affairs, Notice of Compliance with Title II of the Americans with
>> Disabilities
>>
>> Act. Mr. David Thomas is the LARA ADA Title II Coordinator and his
>>
>> contact information is contained in this notice along with a complaint
>> form.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can also access this information on the web at
>>
>> www.michigan.gov/lara, then go to the bottom of the page and click on
>>
>> Filing a Complaint Under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).
>>
>>
>>
>> We will not charge for the cost of this FOIA but this does not prohibit
>> us
>>
>> from charging you or any other requestor for other requests.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>> Carla Miller Haynes, FOIA Coordinator
>>
>> Michigan Commission for the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> 1. Email of 1-8-12
>>
>> 2. Draft Minutes of December 20, 2011 MCB Comm. Board Meeting
>>
>> 3. Email of 1-6-12 from P. Cannon to L. Posont
>>
>> 4. SOM DLARA Notice of Compliance with Title II of the ADA
>>
>>
>>
>> cc: Patrick Cannon
>>
>> Mel Farmer
>>
>> Susan Turney
>>
>> Elsie Duell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: joe harcz Comcast [mailto:joeharcz at comcast.net]
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 2:51 PM
>>
>> To: Cannon, Patrick (LARA)
>>
>> Cc: Larry Posont MCB Comm.; lydia Schuck MCB Comm.; John Scott
>>
>> MCB Comm.; nfbmi-
>>
>> talk at nfbnet.org; Arwood, Steve (LARA); Robin Jones; Craig McManus
>>
>> RSA; Elmer Cerano MPAS;
>>
>> Richard Bernstein Esq
>>
>> Subject: reiterated ada oma and related request info
>>
>>
>>
>> ADA Request Once Again for Complete Draft Meeting Minutes and More
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.
>>
>> 1365 E. Mt. Morris Rd.
>>
>> Mt. Morris, MI 48458
>>
>> joeharcz at comcast.net
>>
>>
>>
>> To: Patrick D. Cannon
>>
>> Director, Michigan Commission for the Blind
>>
>> (Via e-mail)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr. Cannon,
>>
>>
>>
>> Once again I am requesting the required "draft meeting minutes" of MCB's
>>
>> December 8, 9, and 20, 2011 board meetings with all information related
>> to
>>
>> them including your annual evaluation, the commissioners "scoring" of
>>
>> same, the letters sent to Governor Snyder, Mr. Hilfinger, and Mr. Arwood
>>
>> in those regards, and the e-mail you sent to Commissioner Posont blaming
>>
>> him for your continued violations of the ADA, Section 504 and the
>>
>> Michigan Open Meetings Act in this regards. Simply the OMA as you've
>>
>> been apprised over and over again requires that this information is made
>>
>> available to the public (and in fact commissioners) within eight working
>>
>> days. This is not ambiguous. Moreover, as you know because I've
>>
>> apprised you and you were the do nothing State of Michigan ADA
>>
>> coordinator for years you, Mr. Cannon have a corollary responsibility to
>>
>> make those required documents available in accessible format to blind
>>
>> requesters without a surcharge and in a timely manner. As you also know
>>
>> a failure to even respond to a request for accommodations is a violation
>> in
>>
>> and of itself and you've failed on that account too over and over again
>> on
>>
>> this request alone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thus again I'm requesting you remit this information forthwith as either
>>
>> Word attachments and/or plain text enclosures to my e-mail address
>> listed
>>
>> above.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also request once again that this information is posted in html format
>> on
>>
>> MCB's own web site and that this information is routinely posted on the
>>
>> MCB 20/20 list serve just as you, personally do other information when
>> it
>>
>> suits your fancy.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you need some technical assistance in this regards I'd be delighted
>> to
>>
>> comply. But I won't do the service to you or your scofflaw entity
>> without
>>
>> charging you for the services renderred. And I darn well won't pay for
>> this
>>
>> information or anything else that you and the agency are required to
>> post
>>
>> affirmatively in a variety of accessible formats let alone upon request
>> (re:
>>
>> Tyler v. Manhatten for affirmative obligations of Title II entities).
>>
>>
>>
>> Moreover, I'm requesting the name, address and other contact information
>>
>> for the required Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs
>>
>> "ADA" coordinator and an accessible copy of LARA's required grievance
>>
>> procedure.
>>
>>
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cc: MCB Commissioners
>>
>> Cc: Arwood, S., LARA
>>
>> Cc: RSA
>>
>> Cc: Great Lakes ADA "TAC"
>>
>> Cc: Elmer Cerano, NISH, MPAS
>>
>> Cc: Richard Bernstein, Esq.
>>
>> Cc: NFB MI
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DRAFT
>>
>>
>>
>> MICHIGAN COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND
>>
>> SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING
>>
>>
>>
>> 201 N. Washington Square
>>
>> Victor Center Building
>>
>> 2nd Floor Conference Room
>>
>> Lansing, MI
>>
>> December 20, 2011
>>
>> 11:00 a.m. - 12:00 p.m.
>>
>> VIA Conference Call
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> MINUTES
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> COMMISSIONERS PRESENT VIA TELEPHONE
>>
>> Mr. Larry Posont Ms. Lydia Schuck
>>
>> Mr. John Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> COMMISSIONERS ABSENT
>>
>> None (2 Commissioner vacancies currently exist)
>>
>>
>>
>> MICHIGAN COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND STAFF PRESENT
>>
>> Mr. Pat Cannon Ms. Sue Luzenski
>>
>>
>>
>> GUESTS/ATTENDEES
>>
>> Mr. Mike DeRose
>>
>>
>>
>> GUESTS/ATTENDEES VIA TELEPHONE
>>
>> Mr. Joe Sibley Mr. Joe Harcz
>>
>> Mr. Joe Sontag Mr. Fred Wurtzel
>>
>>
>>
>> CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL AND DETERMINATION OF QUORUM
>>
>> Commissioner Larry Posont called the special meeting to order at
>> 11:02
>>
>> a.m. Roll call was taken and a quorum was present.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Discussion of 2012 Performance Objectives for Agency Director
>>
>>
>>
>> Commissioner Schuck explained that she was trying to focus on
>>
>> S.M.A.R.T. objectives: specific, measurable, achievable, realistic and
>> time
>>
>> oriented.
>>
>>
>>
>> Objective 1
>>
>>
>>
>> There was discussion about what information will be received
>> by
>>
>> Commissioners as the way the objective is stated is
>>
>> vague. Commissioners stated they wanted to receive what was going to
>>
>> be sent before it was sent not after.
>>
>>
>>
>> Objective 1:
>>
>>
>>
>> The Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) conducted its
>> monitoring
>>
>> review of the Commission in 2009 and submitted its final report to MCB
>>
>> November 5, 2010. The final RSA report included eight findings which
>>
>> require corrective actions by the agency and MCB staff will continue to
>>
>> work with RSA's designated liaison on a regular basis for technical
>>
>> assistance in the development of these actions and monitor
>>
>> progress. RSA approved MCB's Corrective Action Plan (CAP), December
>>
>> 19, 2011, and has requested that MCB report quarterly progress on the
>>
>> completion of corrective actions and specific steps taken to address
>>
>> compliance findings, including the submission of any revised policies,
>>
>> procedures, or implementing documents.
>>
>>
>>
>> RSA has requested that MCB's first quarterly progress report be
>> submitted
>>
>> by April 15, 2012, with subsequent reports due July 15, 2012, October
>> 15,
>>
>> 2012 and January 15, 2013, etc. until the CAP activities resolve the
>>
>> findings identified. Accordingly, the agency director will also provide
>>
>> quarterly updates to commissioners on interactions with RSA when the
>>
>> information is sent to RSA on the 15th of April, July and October, 2012,
>> and
>>
>> post these reports on the MCB website.
>>
>>
>>
>> Objective 2
>>
>>
>>
>> Director Cannon stated that he is willing to explore the feasibility of
>>
>> gathering of this data and clarified the role of the Consumer
>> Involvement
>>
>> Council (CIC). Objective 2 was not finalized and Commissioner Schuck
>>
>> asked that this objective be revisited at a later date so the Director
>> can
>>
>> have an answer to exploring the feasibility of gathering this data. Mr.
>> Mike
>>
>> DeRose clarified that all parties are agreeing on Objective 2 but
>> changes
>>
>> will be made at the end of January when a list is created of what data
>> can
>>
>> be gathered. Director Cannon stated that the purpose of performance
>>
>> objectives is to identify outcomes and expectations that the Director
>> will be
>>
>> held accountable for, the intention is not to micromanage the Agency.
>>
>>
>>
>> Objective 2:
>>
>>
>>
>> State Plan
>>
>> In accordance with the Rehabilitation Act:
>>
>> 4.3 Consultations regarding the administration of the State Plan.
>> (Section
>>
>> 101(a) (16) (B) of the Rehabilitation Act; 34 CFR 361.21)
>>
>> The designated state agency takes into account, in connection with
>>
>> matters of general policy arising in the administration of the plan and
>> its
>>
>> supplement, the views of:
>>
>> (a) individuals and groups of individuals who are recipients of
>> vocational
>>
>> rehabilitation
>>
>>
>>
>> In order to begin to create a system that promotes consumer involvement
>>
>> and transparency of operations, MCB shall create some regular reports to
>>
>> consumers. By the end of January the Commissioners will be presented
>>
>> with a list of data that the Agency can provide on an ongoing regular
>>
>> basis. The reports shall be clear and easy to understand Commissioners
>>
>> request these: intakes/month/ytd, placements/month/ytd and % of goal
>> for
>>
>> year, beginning and ending balances for rehab, training center, and BEP
>>
>> with % spent/ytd. Each report shall report cost /successful closure and
>>
>> cost/unsuccessful closure. Each report shall be provided to the
>>
>> Commission Board in an accessible format and posted on the MCB web
>>
>> page in a conspicuous place. These reports shall be a beginning for a
>>
>> more robust reporting system which will be enhanced in future Fiscal
>>
>> years.
>>
>>
>>
>> There was a discussion between Commissioners and Director Cannon
>>
>> about the removal of a written objective regarding in-service trainings
>> for
>>
>> Commissioners. All parties agreed to not include in-service training as
>> an
>>
>> objective but know that if topics arise and there is training needed or
>>
>> requested this can be done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Objective 3
>>
>>
>>
>> Director Cannon stated that staff training is an administrative
>> responsibility
>>
>> which the Director has to answer to the Department and
>>
>> RSA. Commissioners said that staff training design may rise to level of
>>
>> policy making.
>>
>>
>>
>> Objective 3:
>>
>>
>>
>> a) Continue the work of the agency's committee to review and improve
>>
>> staff training, particularly training of new agency staff. The
>> committee, led
>>
>> by the agency's training coordinator, is balanced with a mix of
>> relatively
>>
>> new staff, longer-serving staff, both sighted and blind, managers, as
>> well
>>
>> as representation from the MCB Consumer Involvement Council (CIC), the
>>
>> Michigan Council of the Blind and Visually Impaired (MCBVI) and the
>>
>> National Federation of the Blind (NFB) of Michigan. The committee's
>> work
>>
>> includes a focus on enhancing the understanding of blindness and issues
>>
>> facing blind persons, which is intended to assist staff in serving
>> clients
>>
>> most effectively.
>>
>> - Compile and analyze the results of the December, 2011 survey of
>>
>> new staff members since April, 2010, to identify unmet needs for
>>
>> training and orientation of new staff and draw upon these
>>
>> suggestions to improve the procedures.
>>
>> - Review and analyze recommendations from Commissioners ad hoc
>>
>> committee on training and draw upon these suggestions to improve
>>
>> the procedures.
>>
>> - Distribute new survey to new staff hired in 2012 at the beginning
>> of
>>
>> employment, then again in three or four months, to help ascertain
>>
>> improvement achieved and apply PDSA principles to continuously
>>
>> improve the training and orientation process.
>>
>>
>>
>> b) The Director will develop an enhanced and expanded training
>> protocol.
>>
>>
>>
>> The progress on this initiative will be reported to Commissioners
>> quarterly.
>>
>>
>>
>> Objective 4
>>
>> Discussion by all parties included agreement on the wording of this
>>
>> objective and scheduling a future report by Susan Turney on the progress
>>
>> of this objective.
>>
>>
>>
>> Objective 4:
>>
>>
>>
>> The Director shall oversee the development of an indexing system for all
>>
>> Commission Board agendas, motions, policies and minutes to allow board
>>
>> records to be searched by topic, date or keyword. The search tool,
>> index
>>
>> and all content will be searchable and accessible through the
>>
>> Commission's website and via the telephone. Completion of this project
>>
>> will be a performance objective and is expected to be complete by
>>
>> 9/30/2012.
>>
>>
>>
>> Working with the MCB Image and Identity Team and the agency's
>>
>> Communications and Outreach Coordinator, explore ways to expand and
>>
>> improve the MCB Website to make it more accessible and user-friendly,
>>
>> and increase the amount and frequency of programmatic, administrative
>>
>> and budgetary information. The Image and Identity Team, comprised of
>>
>> agency staff, consumers and stakeholders, will provide advice and
>>
>> guidance to the agency webmaster at meetings in March and June, 2012,
>>
>> and following implementation of accepted, manageable and prudent
>>
>> proposals, the agency will report progress to Commissioners in September
>>
>> and December, 2012.
>>
>>
>>
>> There was a discussion about scheduling a future date to
>> finish the
>>
>> objective discussion and how many objectives are acceptable from human
>>
>> resource standpoint.
>>
>>
>>
>> PUBLIC COMMENT
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Joe Sontag: This is Joe Sontag and believe it or not I'm
>> not
>>
>> going to say anything pointed about BEP this time. I just to say this
>> time,
>>
>> once again I just want to express how happy I am with the way this
>>
>> Commission Board is functioning that we have a Board that is taking
>>
>> charge sitting firm on the idea of being of service to blind people in
>> the
>>
>> State of Michigan and not just certain blind people and their friends or
>> a
>>
>> specific organization. And secondly, I just wanted to say that I very
>> much
>>
>> look forward to the day when we can stop having arguments about
>>
>> information. We've been hearing for years about the level of
>> transparency
>>
>> in this organization and how it's the best in the country when it comes
>> to
>>
>> transparency and almost anything else that gets discussed for that
>>
>> matter. Frankly we have a long way to go and I believe very strongly
>> that
>>
>> we get passed the point where we argue about information and how
>>
>> frequently it can be produced, how frequently it should be produced, who
>>
>> should get it, who shouldn't get it, we're going to be much farther
>> ahead. I
>>
>> can recall a time when as a kid just learning how these things worked I
>>
>> could get anything I wanted that was legal to release to the public,
>> just for
>>
>> the asking. Just pick up a phone, go to the appropriate person and get
>>
>> it. Now, now everythings, even information that I, as a participant in
>> an
>>
>> agency program should be entitled to by law, as a given in an accessible
>>
>> format, I have to go through Freedom of Information Act or have to argue
>>
>> with people about whether it is or isn't an FOI request and so forth.
>> We
>>
>> need to get passed that ladies and gentlemen. And finally, I just want
>> to
>>
>> say that in regard to the number of objectives I understand that the
>> more
>>
>> you tack on the more difficult it can be to comply or to meet the
>>
>> objectives. I also understand that there are serious needs that have
>> been
>>
>> out there that have existed for a very long time that are only now
>> beginning
>>
>> to be seriously addressed. I say more important than the absolute number
>>
>> of objectives is the dedication of the people on both sides of the table
>> in
>>
>> terms of meeting those objectives and serving, the people there charged
>>
>> with serving rather than the absolute number. Thank you very much.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Joe Harcz: yes I'm going to echo a little bit of that, but you
>> know I
>>
>> would. Look, on that Objective number 2 I believe it was, since I
>> don't
>>
>> have it in front of me, these are already requirements under the Rehab
>>
>> Act. To supply information related to the State Plan in a timely and
>>
>> accessible format to Commissioners and Consumers, members of the
>>
>> public. It's Pro Forma. We're going to have a new State Plan
>>
>> update. That fiscal year's in July, you know. This information that's
>> being
>>
>> requested should, by law, be standard. This doesn't go to an internal
>> civil
>>
>> service objective, that's a requirement of the Rehab Act. The other
>> thing is
>>
>> when we have battles and somebody has to ask on a monthly basis for
>>
>> things like draft meeting minutes that are required by law, rather than
>> just
>>
>> having them posted to a website that we already have and posted to the
>>
>> MCB 2020 Listserve that's indicative of the problem. When we, we don't
>>
>> have a lot of the consumer packet information, consumer or
>>
>> commissioners don't get information in a timely manner to act on their
>> due
>>
>> diligence and that's been documented over and over and over again. We
>>
>> do not follow the basics of the Americans with Disabilities Act or
>> Section
>>
>> 504 in these regards. I get better information from other entities,
>> from
>>
>> private entities, in a more timely, more accessible manner. And
>> generally I
>>
>> just ask for simple email. The final thing on the communications issue
>>
>> continually telephony is broken down in whole or in part. That happened
>>
>> at the last Commissioners meeting and that happened the year before, you
>>
>> can ask Ms. Pilarski about that. During the evaluation process there
>> was
>>
>> music coming through, there was 18 minutes of missing information and
>>
>> that's an ongoing problem and an ongoing problem with effective
>>
>> communications and access. The final thing and it goes back to
>>
>> information nobody knows, nobody knows where the money is being spent
>>
>> and we get excuses left and right. The Director is responsible, the
>> agency
>>
>> is responsible for administering federal funds and making those
>>
>> expenditures available to the public, let alone to Commissioners. You
>>
>> guys shouldn't be having to ask for that, there's nothing financially
>> related
>>
>> since June and that's up on the website and by the way that's not in a
>>
>> Word file and that's not in HTML, that's in Excel files.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Fred Wurtzel: My first comment has to do with, well actually
>> all
>>
>> my comments have to do with the general attitude of the Director. The
>>
>> Director is, at every turn, resisting providing information to consumers
>> and
>>
>> to the Commission Board and doing all he can to thwart and undermine
>>
>> the actions of the Commission Board to do its job to set good policy for
>> the
>>
>> Michigan Commission for the Blind. It's a consumer driven organization
>>
>> and he keeps continually resisting providing information. I think what
>> both
>>
>> the Joe's said is absolutely correct and I just find it amazing that a
>> person
>>
>> is being, their performance ratings and objectives are there and they're
>>
>> being so belligerent in front of the people who are supposed to be
>> setting
>>
>> their performance standards and their performance objectives. I find it
>>
>> insulting to Commissioners, I find it insulting to consumers the way
>> that the
>>
>> Director is behaving so belligerently on behalf of the agency. I find
>> it to be
>>
>> absolutely, amazingly incredible that the Director of the Agency does
>> not
>>
>> even know what information is available. He doesn't even know if he can
>>
>> tell you how many intakes were made last month or how many people
>>
>> were closed last month. Closures are what the agency is about. That is
>>
>> the only reason that there is money given to the Michigan Commission for
>>
>> the Blind. Might I remind you its over $20,000,000, I'm telling you $20
>>
>> million with six 0's, and the Commissioner, the Director doesn't not
>> even
>>
>> know how to tell you how many closures there were in a given month. The
>>
>> very job the agency is in business to do. I find this to be absolutely
>>
>> dereliction of duties misfeasance and nonfeasance. It's amazing and
>> it's
>>
>> beyond the pale of what I can consider to be acceptable performance on
>>
>> behalf of someone getting paid over $100,000 a year to manage a $20
>>
>> million dollar budget. It's incredible. There seems to be a
>> misconception
>>
>> here about the Commissioners being in a position of recommending
>>
>> things. Commissioners don't recommend things, the Commission is an
>>
>> advisory board, the Commission is a policy setting board. I understand
>>
>> about chain of command but there's no reason that the Commission board
>>
>> cannot tell the Director the kind of programs it wants and how the kinds
>> of
>>
>> outcomes it wants and the Directors job is to go forth and do those
>>
>> things. I don't think that Pat's continual attempt to undermine the
>> authority
>>
>> of the Commission Board should be accepted or condoned or allowed to
>>
>> continue. Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Joe Sibley: Here again, this is my view and I don't, as I said
>> at
>>
>> the last Commission meeting I don't necessarily agree, I know all three
>> of
>>
>> you Board members and I know it was not your intention in the
>>
>> performance evaluation of the Director to make it look like a "gotcha"
>>
>> scenario, but I did want to make the case that I am hearing back
>> publicly
>>
>> both from people in my organization and not in my organization that
>> there's
>>
>> still a concept that the longstanding problem with the NFB members of
>>
>> Michigan and the antagonistic view toward the Director that this is an
>>
>> opportunity. I don't think that's the case, I believe you guys actually
>>
>> evaluated everything carefully but I just wanted to say that, this
>> public
>>
>> comment, that I am hearing back on that, that would be the case. I do
>> still
>>
>> kind of disagree with your evaluation of the Director, I think the marks
>> were
>>
>> a little harsh. I think there are very positive things in the
>> Director's
>>
>> performance that need to be evaluated as well as the problems in the
>>
>> Agency. I don't see him as an antagonistic person, I don't agree with
>>
>> everything he does, and the way he does everything, of course not, but
>> I,
>>
>> and I think I'm in the minority on this call right now, but I want to
>> say that I
>>
>> do believe the performance evaluation of the Director was below, from my
>>
>> viewpoint, of what he actually deserves. I still think we need to focus
>> on
>>
>> having a less antagonistic view from all consumers and all agency
>>
>> staff. This goes to staff and to consumers and to clients have less
>>
>> antagonistic us against them view and we need to really focus on how we
>>
>> can reach a middle ground, reach compromise. I mean, our United States
>>
>> Congress is not doing a very good job of that I think we have an
>>
>> opportunity to work together, make compromises and find out what's the
>>
>> best objectives. What's the best way to do things within budget,
>> within
>>
>> staff realistic available, what can they reasonably accomplish and also
>>
>> accomplish in the goals that we need to accomplish. We really need to
>>
>> focus on working better together and trying to develop a less
>> antagonistic
>>
>> view as we try to solve the problems with this agency. There are
>>
>> problems, yes absolutely, we need to address them, but I say again, as I
>>
>> keep hammering again and again, we need to talk to talk to each other
>> and
>>
>> we need to be less antagonistic. Thank you very much.
>>
>>
>>
>> Commissioners and the Director set a next date to meet to discuss
>>
>> the rest of the objectives on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 at 11:00 a.m.
>> via
>>
>> the telephone.
>>
>>
>>
>> SCHUCK MOVED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING; SCOTT
>>
>> SECONDED.
>>
>>
>>
>> MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
>>
>>
>>
>> The meeting adjourned at 12:14 p.m.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________ ____________________
>>
>> Larry Posont Date
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA)
>>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:35 AM
>>
>> To: Haynes, Carla (LARA)
>>
>> Subject: FW: Terry Eagle's Board Correspondence
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Cannon, Patrick (LARA)
>>
>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 11:09 AM
>>
>> To: 'Larry Posont'
>>
>> Cc: 'Lydia Schuck'; 'jscot at sbcglobal.net'; Luzenski, Sue (LARA); Brown,
>>
>> Melanie (LARA)
>>
>> Subject: Terry Eagle's Board Correspondence
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Larry,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a follow-up to Sue Luzenski's request to you for Terry Eagle's
>>
>> correspondence to the board. As you'll recall, he appeared on the
>>
>> December 8 meeting agenda under the heading of "Board
>>
>> Correspondence" and spoke to commissioners on various topics and
>>
>> reference his correspondence to the board. However, we do not have
>>
>> anything in our files from him and we need you to send his
>>
>> correspondence to Sue for at least two reasons. First, we need to
>>
>> maintain files on such correspondence and, secondly, commissioners
>>
>> asked that such correspondence be attached to the minutes of the
>>
>> December Commission meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> While the draft minutes of the meeting have been written, we cannot
>>
>> release them until we have Terry's letter to commissioners. Please
>>
>> forward his referenced correspondence to Sue at your earliest
>>
>> convenience.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick D. Cannon, State Director
>>
>> Michigan Commission for the Blind
>>
>> Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs
>>
>> P.O. Box 30652
>>
>> Lansing, MI 48909
>>
>> cannonp at michigan.gov
>>
>> 517-335-4265
>>
>> Toll Free: 800-292-4200
>>
>> Fax: 517-335-5140
>>
>> michigan.gov/mcb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>> STATE OF MICHIGAN
>>
>> DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS
>>
>> NOTICE OF COMPLIANCE WITH
>>
>> TITLE II OF THE
>>
>> AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs (LARA) does
>> not
>>
>> discriminate on the basis of disability in admission to, access to, or
>> operations of
>>
>> its programs, services or activities. This notice is provided as
>> required by Title II
>>
>> of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) of 1990.
>>
>>
>>
>> Questions, concerns, complaints or requests for additional information
>> regarding
>>
>> the ADA may be forwarded to the designated ADA Title II Coordinator.
>>
>>
>>
>> Title: ADA Title II Coordinator
>>
>> Office Address: 611 West Ottawa, Ottawa Building, 4th
>> Floor
>>
>> Lansing, MI 48909
>>
>> Phone Number: 517-241-1449
>>
>> E-Mail: THOMASD5 at Michigan.gov
>>
>>
>>
>> Day / Hours available: Normal Business Hours
>>
>>
>>
>> Individuals who need auxiliary aids for effective communication in
>> programs and
>>
>> services of the Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs are
>> invited to
>>
>> make their needs and preferences known to the ADA Coordinator.
>>
>>
>>
>> This Notice is available in an alternative format from the Department
>> ADA
>>
>> Coordinator.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> TITLE II OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT
>>
>> COMPLAINT PROCESS NOTICE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> NOTICE REQUIREMENTS
>>
>>
>>
>> All Title II governmental agencies or entities are required to
>> post notice informing
>>
>> the public of its ADA responsibilities. "A public entity shall make
>> available to applicants,
>>
>> participants, beneficiaries, and other interested persons information
>> regarding the
>>
>> provisions of this part and its applicability to the services, programs,
>> or activities of the
>>
>> public entity, and make such information available to them in such
>> manner as the head
>>
>> of the entity finds necessary to apprise such persons of the protections
>> against
>>
>> discrimination assured them by the Act and this part" 28 CFR Section
>> 35.106.
>>
>>
>>
>> 28 CFR Section 35.106 requires a public entity to provide enough
>> information to
>>
>> applicants, participants, beneficiaries, and other interested persons to
>> inform them of
>>
>> the rights and protections they have under the ADA and this regulation.
>> Methods of
>>
>> providing this information include, for example, the printing of the
>> information in
>>
>> handbooks, manuals, and pamphlets that are provided to the public to
>> describe a
>>
>> public entity's programs and activities; the display of informative
>> posters in service
>>
>> centers and other public places; or the broadcast of information by
>> television or radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> COMPLAINT PROCESS REQUIREMENTS
>>
>> In compliance with the ADA, the Department of Licensing and Regulatory
>> Affairs
>>
>> (LARA) has designated David K. Thomas as the department ADA Coordinator.
>> In
>>
>> addition, Mr. Thomas has been designated as the ADA Title II (access to
>> programs and
>>
>> services) Coordinator. The ADA Coordinator will investigate any
>> complaint it receives
>>
>> that the department, or an agency or office within the department, is
>> not following the
>>
>> ADA, either by not providing services, or by actions that would be
>> forbidden by the
>>
>> ADA. The Department will provide the name, office address, and telephone
>> number of
>>
>> the designated is ADA Coordinator to any person requesting this
>> information. LARA
>>
>> has adopted and hereby publishing a complaint process that outlines fair
>> and timely
>>
>> resolution of complaints claiming any action that would be prohibited by
>> Title II of the
>>
>> ADA.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> TITLE II OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT
>>
>> COMPLAINT PROCEDURES
>>
>>
>>
>> PROCEDURES
>>
>>
>>
>> The ADA Complaint procedure is designed to informally resolve conflicts
>> with
>>
>> State agencies involving allegations of discrimination in access to
>> state
>>
>> government programs, services, and benefits for persons with
>> disabilities under
>>
>> Title II of the ADA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Each state department has named a department/agency ADA Coordinator(s).
>>
>> The first person you should contact in this procedure is the ADA
>> Coordinator in
>>
>> the division or department where you believe a problem has occurred
>> under Title
>>
>> II of the ADA. The ADA Coordinator may assign (designate) another person
>> in
>>
>> the department to work with you to resolve your complaint.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you need assistance in filing or writing your complaint, the division
>> or
>>
>> department ADA Coordinator or designee will, at your request, help you
>> locate
>>
>> an impartial advocate or representative not associated with their
>> agency. Please
>>
>> specify any other reasonable accommodation you may require in order to
>>
>> effectively communicate your complaint. The complaint form must be
>> filled out
>>
>> completely and filed with the division or department ADA Coordinator
>> within 90
>>
>> calendar days from the date of the alleged discriminatory action or
>> practice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once you have completed the ADA Complaint Form on the next page, follow
>> the
>>
>> steps listed after the complaint form for filing your complaint. It is
>> important for
>>
>> you to keep copies of your original complaint, notifications or letters
>> you receive
>>
>> after meeting with the department/agency, as well as any other
>> correspondence
>>
>> or other documentation that is related to your complaint, and bring
>> those copies
>>
>> to all meetings, reviews, and appeals related to your complaint.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act COMPLAINT FORM
>>
>>
>>
>> Instructions: Please fill out this form completely, in black ink or
>> type. Sign and return to the address on
>>
>> page 3.
>>
>> Complainant:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Address:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> City, State and Zip Code:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Telephone: Home:
>>
>> Business:
>>
>>
>>
>> Person Making the Complaint:
>>
>> (if other than the complainant)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Address:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> City, State, and Zip Code:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Telephone: Home:
>>
>> Business:
>>
>>
>>
>> Agency which you believe has discriminated:
>>
>> Name:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Address:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> County:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> City:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> State and Zip Code:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Telephone Number:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> When did the event occur? Date:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Describe the event providing the name(s) where possible for the
>> individuals who were involved (use
>>
>> space on page 3 if necessary):
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Has the complaint been filed with the Michigan Department of Civil
>> Rights, US Department of Justice or
>>
>> any other Federal agency or court?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes______ No______
>>
>>
>>
>> If yes:
>>
>>
>>
>> Agency or Court:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Contact Person:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Address:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> City, State, and Zip Code:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Telephone Number:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date Filed:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you intend to file with another agency or court?
>>
>> Yes______ No______
>>
>>
>>
>> Agency or Court:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Address:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> City, State and Zip Code:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Telephone Number:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Additional space for answers:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Signature: _________________________________________
>>
>> Date: ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Return to:
>>
>>
>>
>> ADA Title II Coordinator
>>
>> Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs
>>
>> Office Services Division
>>
>> 611 West Ottawa, Ottawa Building 4th floor
>>
>> Lansing, MI 48909
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> STEPS FOR FILING YOUR Title II ADA COMPLAINT
>>
>>
>>
>> Step 1: Fill Out and Deliver Your Complaint
>>
>> Hand deliver or mail your complaint to the Department ADA Coordinator of
>> the state agency
>>
>> where you believe the discrimination occurred (David K. Thomas for
>> LARA). If you need
>>
>> assistance filling out the complaint form, you may request help through
>> the Department ADA
>>
>> Coordinator.
>>
>> a) If you need a reasonable accommodation, such as an interpreter or
>> an alternative format, list this
>>
>> on your complaint form so the Department ADA Coordinator will be able to
>> communicate
>>
>> effectively with you at your meeting.
>>
>> b) If the agency that you are working with has a different complaint
>> procedure, please complete that
>>
>> process before continuing this process.
>>
>>
>>
>> Step 2: Meet with the Department ADA Coordinator
>>
>> a) Within 10 business days after receiving your completed complaint,
>> the department ADA
>>
>> coordinator will meet with you personally, or contact you by telephone.
>>
>> b) Within 5 business days after this meeting, a copy of your
>> complaint, and a brief report of the
>>
>> outcome of your meeting, will be forwarded to the State ADA Coordinator
>> so that office is aware
>>
>> a complaint has been filed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Step 3: Resolution of Your Complaint
>>
>> a) If a satisfactory resolution is reached, a written agreement will
>> be jointly developed and signed
>>
>> by you, the department ADA Coordinator and the director of the
>> department/agency where the
>>
>> complaint was filed. The agreement of resolution will be issued to you
>> within 10 business days.
>>
>> The written agreement will include:
>>
>> 1) A description of the complaint;
>>
>> 2) A finding of facts from the investigation of the complaint;
>>
>> 3) A description of how the complaint will be resolved;
>>
>> 4) When the complaint will be resolved;
>>
>> 5) An assurance that the department/agency will follow the specific
>> terms of the agreement.
>>
>> b) If the department/agency is unable to resolve the complaint with
>> you, you will be notified of this non-
>>
>> resolution within 10 business days. The notification will include:
>>
>> 1) A description of the complaint;
>>
>> 2) A summary of any resolution proposed;
>>
>> 3) A statement addressing the issues that were not resolved at the
>> meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Step 4: Request for Review by the Michigan Department of Civil Rights
>>
>> If a satisfactory resolution is not reached through the
>> department/agency, you may then request a review
>>
>> of your complaint (appeal) by the Michigan Department of Civil Rights.
>> Your request for review must be
>>
>> made within 10 business days after you receive your notification of
>> non-resolution. This appeal must
>>
>> include a copy of your original complaint, as well as documentation from
>> Step 3 b) failure to resolve your
>>
>> complaint at the department/agency level.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your request for review must be filed on the attached form.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF DEPARTMENT
>>
>> ADA COMPLAINT DECISION
>>
>>
>>
>> Name:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mailing Address:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Telephone (work) (fax)
>>
>>
>>
>> State Department/Agency complaint is with:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Detailed Statement of the Reason(s) for Your Request for Review of the
>>
>> Decision Regarding Your Complaint:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> NOTE: You MUST include a copy of your original complaint, as well as
>>
>> documentation of the results of your meetings with the department/agency
>>
>> coordinator, in order for this appeal to be considered by Michigan
>>
>> Department of Civil Rights.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Signature
>> Date
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Carla Miller Haynes
>>
>> DLARA Michigan Commission for the Blind
>>
>> 201 N. Washington Sq., 2nd Floor
>>
>> P.O. Box 30652
>>
>> Lansing, MI 48909
>>
>> Phone: 517/373-2063
>>
>> FAX: 517/335-5140
>>
>>
>> www.michigan.gov/mcb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Carla Miller Haynes
>>
>> DLARA Michigan Commission for the Blind
>>
>> 201 N. Washington Sq., 2nd Floor
>>
>> P.O. Box 30652
>>
>> Lansing, MI 48909
>>
>> Phone: 517/373-2063
>>
>> FAX: 517/335-5140
>>
>>
>>
>> www.michigan.gov/mcb
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