[nfbmi-talk] how could it be done

Sun Dec 15 12:40:24 UTC 2013

You know the weird thing about this even in the current environment is there 
are no standards and requirements even within agencies again for 
administration, job developers, assistive technology providers/traners, and 
for staff running BEP programs amonst others.

Most, but not all of the certification issue in VR evolves around the Rehab 
counselor positions in most states including Michigan they need to have a 
degree in the field but need not be certified. It's kind of like one getting 
a JD but not taking the bar.

I've left out direct service providrs for the blind in this mix like braille 
instructors, rehab teachers, and travel/o and m instructors because that is 
too complicated for my brain right now and before another cup of coffee.

I certainly agree with Christine in that certification or licensure hasn't 
always, if ever guaranteed a sucessful outcome.

On the other hand the current administration of BSBP with and without 
credentials wouldn't know rehabilitation if it bit them on their backsides.

Any sucessful outcomes nowadays which in spite of Kisial's recent lies at 
the MCRC meeting, are either purely accidential or due to heroic measures by 
both individual consumers and the handful of dedicated front line employees 
who have to fight a virtual guerrilla war to be successful.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christine Boone" <christineboone2 at gmail.com>
To: "terry Eagle" <terrydeagle at yahoo.com>; "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing 
List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] how could it be done

> You are correct unless the agency were to establish a requirement that all 
> contracted direct service providers needed to maintain licensure or 
> certification that was identical to that maintained by their staff.
> Most state agencies around the Nation that provide services to persons who 
> are blind and visually impaired, have opted to require only that their 
> direct service providing employees are eligible to sit for certification 
> exams, Not that they maintain the certification or licensure itself.
> There are lots of reasons for this prevailing trend, but chief among them 
> is the fact that licensure and certification quite plainly have no 
> correlation with better outcomes, better services, greater satisfaction or 
> any other positive trend within the blindness rehabilitation agency.  In 
> many cases the same holds true for general agencies, which have also not 
> generally required extensive licensure or certification for their 
> employees who provide direct services.
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Terry D. Eagle <terrydeagle at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> So, if I have this correct, there would be no requirement for being
>> certified or certification-eligible, if outside the state agency, such as 
>> a
>> contractor?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Christine Boone
>> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 3:02 PM
>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] how could it be done
>>
>> Only if we are part of the Designated State Unit.
>> Take a look at the contractors here in Michigan, or in any state, and the
>> rules of CSPD (The Comprehensive System of Personnel Development) do not
>> apply to them.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Lydia Anne Schuck 
>> <lydia.a.schuck at wmich.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If we could, I bet we would do it.  Unfortunately, I think there are 
>>> rules
>> about how many of us would need to have degrees in Rehab.  Maybe Doug and
>> Christine know how that would work.
>>>
>>> Lydia Schuck, MSEd
>>> Research Associate, National Secondary Transition Technical Assistance
>> Center
>>> Western Michigan University
>>> 1908 W. Michigan Avenue, Mailstop 5259
>>> Kalamazoo, MI  49008
>>> phone 269.387.5990
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Marcus Simmons <president at map-n.org>
>>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:58:45 -0500 (EST)
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] let's make an agency
>>>
>>> Are you guy serious or pulling my leg?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Christine Boone" <christineboone2 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] let's make an agency
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nice!  I love it.  I wonder how we would do if we created an agency, 
>>>> then
>>
>>>> went to the feds and asked for the designation as the State's 
>>>> "Desugnated
>>
>>>> State Agency (DSA) for the blind in Michigan?
>>>> Christine
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Lydia Anne Schuck
>> <lydia.a.schuck at wmich.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Terry, Christine, and Derek,
>>>>> I'll be your transition specialist!
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't this sound like a Mickey Rooney movie.  The camp or school or
>>>>> whatever is about to crash and burn, and Mickey Rooney says, "Hey, I
>> know
>>>>> what!  We can do a show!"  Then they rehearse and sell tickets.....oh,
>>>>> wait, the show is what is already happening in Lansing.  Let's do the
>>>>> real thing: effective rehabilitation services.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lydia
>>>>>
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