[nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but

Mon Sep 9 01:58:42 UTC 2013

Hello,

Small correction, though operators don't pay rent, the BS4BP certainly does.
This is part of the ATM which the BS4BP serves as for the state.  Blind
people pay for the space since fewerr state dollars are available for match,
not that BS4BP spends enough to need match.  It is just another way to get
money and not provide services.

Warm Regards,

Fred

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
Robinson
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:34 PM
To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but

Joe, 

  According to the rules, they do not pay rent on any State own building for
space allocated to the BSBP BEP.  Of course, why would the rules mean
anything to them. 

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of joe
harcz Comcast
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 9:07 AM
To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but

By the way is BSBP paying rent to the legislature for these entities?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>;
<terrydeagle at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but

> Right on all counts.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
> To: <terrydeagle at yahoo.com>; "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" 
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 19:33
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>
>
>> Hi Terry,
>>
>> It would be silly to put a Tim Horton's in the Capitol.  There aren't 
>> enough people in there on a daily basis to support the investment.  
>> This is especially true when 1 considers how easy it will be to use 
>> the State Plate as the commissary and simply bring stuff over as 
>> needed.  That is the plan, I am willing to bet, it is the only 
>> economically practical idea.  The reporters and politicians don't 
>> understand food service.  Tim Horton's does, despite what anyone else 
>> does.  They will advise the BS4BP on how to set things up.  Whether 
>> anyone from BS4BP understands or can follow directions is another 
>> matter.  I have confidence in Tim Horton's systems.  They have 
>> demonstrated their ability to make money.  The BS4BP, not so much.
>>
>> The choice of Tim Horton's was ill-advised because of the political 
>> implications of bringing in a Canadian company to compete with a 
>> local coffee business.  The idea of using state employees to operate 
>> a private franchise company is the most politically stupid and 
>> ethically questionable idea imaginable.  BS4BP administration is 
>> naive, stupid, arrogant, unethical and insensitive to its 
>> constituents and even those who may have supported them from inside 
>> the system.  I cannot believe that when Snider figures out the 
>> political ramifications of this goofy idea that he won't drop it like

>> a
>> hot potato.  On the other hand, maybe not.  This is not a winner for 
>> the Snider Administration, no matter how they try to spin it.
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFBMI-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Terry D. Eagle
>> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:04 PM
>> To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [NFBMI-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>
>> The Capitol will simply be a satellite site of the Anderson office 
>> building facility.  I doubt the enormous expenditure for the 
>> installation  of a ventilation system in the Capitol will be made.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Joe harcz Comcast
>> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:15 AM
>> To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>
>> Actually the story alluded to a Tim Hortons franchise in the Anderson 
>> building, but said there would not be on in the Capitol, though 
>> clearly they
>>
>> are linked.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>; "VENDORSMI List"
>> <vendorsmi at nfbnet.org>; "NFBMI List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>
>>
>>>I have the following from a reliable source:
>>>
>>> When a TV reporter and camera crew arrived at the BSBP Lansing 
>>> Central Office earlier today, Director Ed Rodgers ordered his Staff 
>>> to say that he
>>
>>> was not present, while he hid in the conference room until the 
>>> reporter and crew left the office.
>>>
>>> Finally, if there are no plans for a Tim Horton's franchise, why is 
>>> Bob Essenberg in Canada now, possibly for up to 7 weeks?  Has anyone 
>>> seen Essenberg around the greater Lansing area lately?  If I were 
>>> that reporter, I'd be trying to speak with Bob Essenberg, the newly 
>>> hired 17-level Director of the Business Assistance and Development 
>>> Program
>>> (BADP) within the Bureau of Services for Blind Persons (BSBP).
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Joe Sontag
>>>  To: VENDORSMI List ; NFBMI List
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 20:58
>>>  Subject: Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>>
>>>
>>>  State officials were reluctant to comment on reports regarding Tim 
>>> Horton
>>
>>> products
>>>  going into the state capitol.
>>>  The Director of Services to the Blind was unavailable for comment 
>>> on  this story  , as a cone of silence descended. An  employee of 
>>> the Michigan House and a state licensing department official 
>>> declined  to talk, too, as they walked into a 2:30 strategy meeting 
>>> on this issue Thursday.
>>>  There was one state official who did talk, but not on camera. He 
>>> points out, Tim  Horton products would go into a room on the ground 
>>> floor of the capitol, but the  Tim Horton sign would not. Tim Horton 
>>> employees would not be running the operation,  but they would 
>>> provide training to the visually impaired who would.
>>>  However, the Tim Horton sign and products could end up in the House 
>>> office building,  right across the street from coffee shop 
>>> competitor Biggby.
>>>  Bob Fish runs the Biggby franchises in the area and was not asked 
>>> to bid on the project.
>>>  He is worried that franchisees may have their tax dollars 
>>> subsidizing Tim
>>
>>> Horton.
>>>  "I don't think its a matter of signage or not signage," said Fish. 
>>> "All of our Biggby coffees are taxpayers. It would feel a little 
>>> awkward to us that  we are paying our taxes and maybe that project 
>>> is being subsidized somehow with our  dollars. That sounds weird to 
>>> me."
>>>  As the licensing department director, Steve Arwood, came to the 
>>> meeting, he was not  very forthcoming on what exactly was unfolding 
>>> as he walked past our camera.
>>>  (Reporter) Mr. Director, would you help clarify what you are trying 
>>> to do.
>>>  "Discussions are underway and no decision has been made," said Arwood.
>>>  (Reporter) Do you want to put a franchise in there?
>>>  "Discussions are underway," replied Arwood.
>>>  (Reporter) Is the state going to pay a franchise fee?
>>>  "No decisions have been made, Tim," said Arwood.
>>>  Fish contends that if the state does not pay a franchise fee, he 
>>> has "a problem with that...
>>>  it's unfair." We don't know if its unfair, because nobody was 
>>> talking about it.
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