[nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but

Sun Sep 8 22:33:56 UTC 2013

Joe, 

  According to the rules, they do not pay rent on any State own building for
space allocated to the BSBP BEP.  Of course, why would the rules mean
anything to them. 

Dave

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Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but

By the way is BSBP paying rent to the legislature for these entities?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>
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<terrydeagle at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but

> Right on all counts.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
> To: <terrydeagle at yahoo.com>; "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" 
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 19:33
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>
>
>> Hi Terry,
>>
>> It would be silly to put a Tim Horton's in the Capitol.  There aren't 
>> enough
>> people in there on a daily basis to support the investment.  This is
>> especially true when 1 considers how easy it will be to use the State 
>> Plate
>> as the commissary and simply bring stuff over as needed.  That is the 
>> plan,
>> I am willing to bet, it is the only economically practical idea.  The
>> reporters and politicians don't understand food service.  Tim Horton's 
>> does,
>> despite what anyone else does.  They will advise the BS4BP on how to set
>> things up.  Whether anyone from BS4BP understands or can follow 
>> directions
>> is another matter.  I have confidence in Tim Horton's systems.  They have
>> demonstrated their ability to make money.  The BS4BP, not so much.
>>
>> The choice of Tim Horton's was ill-advised because of the political
>> implications of bringing in a Canadian company to compete with a local
>> coffee business.  The idea of using state employees to operate a private
>> franchise company is the most politically stupid and ethically 
>> questionable
>> idea imaginable.  BS4BP administration is naive, stupid, arrogant, 
>> unethical
>> and insensitive to its constituents and even those who may have supported
>> them from inside the system.  I cannot believe that when Snider figures 
>> out
>> the political ramifications of this goofy idea that he won't drop it like

>> a
>> hot potato.  On the other hand, maybe not.  This is not a winner for the
>> Snider Administration, no matter how they try to spin it.
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFBMI-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Terry
>> D. Eagle
>> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:04 PM
>> To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [NFBMI-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>
>> The Capitol will simply be a satellite site of the Anderson office 
>> building
>> facility.  I doubt the enormous expenditure for the installation  of a
>> ventilation system in the Capitol will be made.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe
>> harcz Comcast
>> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:15 AM
>> To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>
>> Actually the story alluded to a Tim Hortons franchise in the Anderson
>> building, but said there would not be on in the Capitol, though clearly 
>> they
>>
>> are linked.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>; "VENDORSMI List"
>> <vendorsmi at nfbnet.org>; "NFBMI List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>
>>
>>>I have the following from a reliable source:
>>>
>>> When a TV reporter and camera crew arrived at the BSBP Lansing Central
>>> Office earlier today, Director Ed Rodgers ordered his Staff to say that 
>>> he
>>
>>> was not present, while he hid in the conference room until the reporter
>>> and crew left the office.
>>>
>>> Finally, if there are no plans for a Tim Horton's franchise, why is Bob
>>> Essenberg in Canada now, possibly for up to 7 weeks?  Has anyone seen
>>> Essenberg around the greater Lansing area lately?  If I were that
>>> reporter, I'd be trying to speak with Bob Essenberg, the newly hired
>>> 17-level Director of the Business Assistance and Development Program
>>> (BADP) within the Bureau of Services for Blind Persons (BSBP).
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: Joe Sontag
>>>  To: VENDORSMI List ; NFBMI List
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 20:58
>>>  Subject: Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>>
>>>
>>>  State officials were reluctant to comment on reports regarding Tim 
>>> Horton
>>
>>> products
>>>  going into the state capitol.
>>>  The Director of Services to the Blind was unavailable for comment on
>>>  this story
>>>  , as a cone of silence descended. An
>>>  employee of the Michigan House and a state licensing department 
>>> official
>>> declined
>>>  to talk, too, as they walked into a 2:30 strategy meeting on this issue
>>> Thursday.
>>>  There was one state official who did talk, but not on camera. He points
>>> out, Tim
>>>  Horton products would go into a room on the ground floor of the 
>>> capitol,
>>> but the
>>>  Tim Horton sign would not. Tim Horton employees would not be running 
>>> the
>>> operation,
>>>  but they would provide training to the visually impaired who would.
>>>  However, the Tim Horton sign and products could end up in the House
>>> office building,
>>>  right across the street from coffee shop competitor Biggby.
>>>  Bob Fish runs the Biggby franchises in the area and was not asked to 
>>> bid
>>> on the project.
>>>  He is worried that franchisees may have their tax dollars subsidizing 
>>> Tim
>>
>>> Horton.
>>>  "I don't think its a matter of signage or not signage," said Fish. "All
>>> of our Biggby coffees are taxpayers. It would feel a little awkward to 
>>> us
>>> that
>>>  we are paying our taxes and maybe that project is being subsidized
>>> somehow with our
>>>  dollars. That sounds weird to me."
>>>  As the licensing department director, Steve Arwood, came to the 
>>> meeting,
>>> he was not
>>>  very forthcoming on what exactly was unfolding as he walked past our
>>> camera.
>>>  (Reporter) Mr. Director, would you help clarify what you are trying to
>>> do.
>>>  "Discussions are underway and no decision has been made," said Arwood.
>>>  (Reporter) Do you want to put a franchise in there?
>>>  "Discussions are underway," replied Arwood.
>>>  (Reporter) Is the state going to pay a franchise fee?
>>>  "No decisions have been made, Tim," said Arwood.
>>>  Fish contends that if the state does not pay a franchise fee, he has "a
>>> problem with that...
>>>  it's unfair." We don't know if its unfair, because nobody was talking
>>> about it.
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