[nfbmi-talk] nfb files suit in l.a.

Nadia Cioffi nadiaacioffi at gmail.com
Sat Apr 5 01:50:24 UTC 2014


I see once again you missed my point, maybe consider how you write things,
I also provided you to links of things that are state websites you call not
accessable
 ​that are. I though have asked kindly for this information, read emails
and do not demand for other formats. A lot can be found by asking your
questions and not saying that something is not accessable. I cannot count
how many times, I have heard that and yet found the information. Along with
found the informtion been able to make accessable by using a computer or if
I need something I call. Is it required to send over 97 FOIA requests, as
you said yourself demanding information, saying you understand the law and
you I see a section you pick and choose. As the department they can charge
copying fees, it takes time, so I guess my point is to make clims come at
cost. (money and often times if say something and not right, then how is
taken by others). You missed my point, I expalined some tips, I also
expalined how life works, and I offered to help a little, but what you
missed is that if you demand at some point people will will give to you
maybe not with a want. It is better to build a relashinship then a
repuation for sending requests in. I have many rights myself, I find it
better to ask kindly. Know that person should and would like to know the
information you get from them will be used in way to help and threats of
suing. Read department replies and you could learn a few things about why
things are not given to you, it is the way you ask for it. the way you
write and demand as if you are boss. Frankly, your not I am telling you
only due to fact if one does not learn others tend to dislike. if you need
more explaining then ask, but "hun" does not tell me much besides my
comment lost you and I ask that want clearfiaction you are more detailed,
this will then help me not assume and was my poir point.



I will not be commenting on this matter besides, I think the way things are
written tells a lot about reason, intent and so before something is sent
please consider it. I think may help alll this get their needs meant, I am
leaving it there.



With respect,



On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:10 PM, joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz at comcast.net>wrote:

> Huh? Come on. This is a twenty five million dollar federally funed
> Vocational Rehabilitation agency. I'm tired of ttheir ludicrus excuses. And
> by the way madame I never made a FOIA request but, rather denote oover and
> over again this stuff should be made accountable and accessable upon this
> web site in a timely manner.
>
> This is supposed to be America where governmental activities are open,
> transparent, accountable and timely.
>
> This isn't the Soviet Union, or at least I thought it wasn't.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nadia Cioffi" <nadiaacioffi at gmail.com>
>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 5:37 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] nfb files suit in l.a.
>
>
>  There is one, second you should google, third ask kindly and maybe some
>> will give, four not evening I'd BSPB . Your find to have to look up the
>> name, there is a phone number and use the state staff directly like
>> everyone was.  The websites are manger the MI Dep of technology and
>> bought,however they are limited with options given. I've spoken to someone
>> about this, they cannot change stuff it goes through long process. If you
>> had job this called chain of command and requires paperwork because if in
>> policy it has to be followed  or people get fixed for state gov: it three
>> write ups, hr and no job. I know someone In government and teaching me
>> these things now do I keep job, polices are not same every ware.
>>
>> Next, you need to understand why plain emails are not always linked on
>> websites. http://www.michigan.gov/mobi/lara/0,,7-154-61256_28313-
>> 15006--,00.html
>>
>> http://www.state.mi.us/dit/directory.aspx
>>
>> Sate of Michigan Staff Directory
>>
>> Do not me either of pages cannot used by screen reader, I know these work
>> fine! System access, NVDA, JAWS, and if those work, MAC and Window Eyes do
>> too.
>>
>>
>> 1. Spam, the state has many email addresses. They have filtering, but
>> cleaning up junk mail twines time. Time means money and staff, More
>> effective to not spend time on something that can be prevented,
>>
>>
>> 2. Here is link the webpage;
>> 3. If I give this, I ask the following:
>> A. That you understand an before blaming a department.
>> B. that do not send FOIA requests until you ask for looking for on list,
>> in private and you attempt yourself to research.
>> C. Understand that everyone is human, when write, ask kindly and be aware
>> that are taking time to reply to you, respect it. The more time you take,
>> the ruder you are, the less willing they will bs help you. Understand its
>> employee to mange their time. Wait for reply   They have other emails
>> besides toys to read, understand maybe maybe away form office, in meetings
>> or with family.
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree to answer some of your questions, but I have to mange my time and
>> if do any of things listed above to list at my judgment, I may stop
>> answering you. Do not email me all day busy life, if ask to ask more direct
>> question, then  ask looked stuff I will answer questions when I can, but
>> ember to respect me as well or you can find someone else to help learn this.
>>
>>
>> Remember It's not do much about skills, bur if do not respect others: the
>> will no way learn these skills, I did not learn overnight, I learned to say
>> thank you, I know and have background in the goal, try to keep learning
>> really you can all the smarts. If you do not try to learn, be grateful and
>> respect what have I have is information to nothing with. This is meant say
>> I have been shorn to, we are human; we want respect then we show to others.
>> We all onde wand love as ell, trust me. I want to something with the a
>> mind, find a nonprofit that have hart in mission, something that means
>> something to tryout instead of writing FOiA maybe consider educating in
>> wring, this be used in many ways, seems like facts. Write a research paper,
>> informal about topics pick or find to must meaning or join a group that
>> forces on that area, spend time others who know then and start to make
>> change outside a mainframe list. I end to also do tech related stuff, bur
>> learning form others then allis you get know people, build connects, apply
>> to hope network with it do something!
>>
>>
>>
>> On  Apr 4, 2014, at 3:28 PM, "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>> wrot
>> Shoot BSBP can't even get a staff directory out without a FOIA. They need
>> to be sued on multiple counts for multiple violations of our individual and
>> collective civil rights.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry D. Eagle" <
>> terrydeagle at yahoo.com>
>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 3:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] nfb files suit in l.a.
>>
>>
>>  This is a good step forward by the NFB.  Seems as though many employed to
>>> serve the blind don't care, and only respond to legal action and paying
>>> attorney fees.
>>>
>>> Actually, this sounds so much like the BS4BP and the BEP, whereby vending
>>> cash and credit card systems are TOTALLY INACCESSIBLE to the blind, and
>>> require use of a sighted person to manage the cash in a vending facility,
>>> allegedly reserved for operation by a blind person!  Imagine a sighted
>>> person controlling your business cash system!  Must be the justification
>>> by
>>> Rob Essenberg, now a BS4BP BADP director, and former blind vendor, for
>>> boosting his sighted manager's wage from $15 to $20 per hour, upon his
>>> departure from a BEP TOTALLY INACCESSIBLE vending facility operation.
>>> Ironically, that sighted manager is now once again working, as a state
>>> employee,  for none other than Rob Essenberg in BADP.  What does that say
>>> about how state employment is obtained?  The state employment hiring
>>> plot is
>>> thicker than this with regard to Essenberg and BS4Bp.  What does it say
>>> about the skills of blindness by certain blind BS4BP employees?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of joe
>>> harcz Comcast
>>> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 12:18 PM
>>> To: nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] nfb files suit in l.a.
>>>
>>> National Federation of the Blind and Four Blind People File Suit Against
>>> RideCharge, Inc. and Three Taxicab Companies in California
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LOS ANGELES, April 2, 2014 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/--
>>>
>>> The National Federation of the Blind
>>>
>>> (NFB), the oldest and largest organization of blind people in the United
>>> States, and four blind people residing in California-Rick Boggs,
>>> Geraldine
>>> Croom,
>>>
>>> Rochelle Houston, and Tina Thomas -filed suit today (case number:
>>> 2:14-cv-02490) in the United States District Court for the Central
>>> District
>>> of California
>>>
>>> against RideCharge, Inc. and three entities that manage taxicab fleets in
>>> Southern California:  Administrative Services Cooperative, Inc., LA Taxi
>>> Cooperative,
>>>
>>> Inc., and South Bay Yellow Cab Cooperative, Inc.  The taxicab
>>> cooperatives
>>> have deployed RideCharge's self-service, touchscreen payment terminals,
>>> which
>>>
>>> are inaccessible to blind taxicab riders, in taxicabs throughout Southern
>>> California.  The complaint alleges violations of the Americans with
>>> Disabilities
>>>
>>> Act (ADA), the California Unruh Civil Rights Act, and the California
>>> Disabled Persons Act.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The self-service terminals utilize an entirely visual, touchscreen
>>> interface
>>> mounted on the back of the front passenger seat that allows sighted
>>> taxicab
>>>
>>> riders to access information and services privately and independently.
>>> Among other features, sighted passengers are able to review trip and fare
>>> information,
>>>
>>> privately pay fares with a credit card, and select tip amounts without
>>> interacting with the driver. The exclusively visual interface lacks
>>> common
>>> accessibility
>>>
>>> features for blind riders.  Many other transportation service providers
>>> have
>>> installed text-to-speech output and tactile controls on their
>>> self-service
>>>
>>> terminals that allow blind riders to operate them independently.  As a
>>> result of RideCharge's failure to include these common alternative access
>>> features
>>>
>>> on its terminals, blind riders are unable to access the information and
>>> services offered on these devices.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Marc Maurer,
>>>
>>> President of
>>>
>>> the National Federation of the Blind,
>>>
>>> said: "The ability to travel safely and independently is central to the
>>> ability of blind people to live independent, productive lives.  Taxis
>>> are a
>>> valuable
>>>
>>> mode of transportation for blind people, particularly in places like
>>> Southern California where public transit is not always available.  Our
>>> right
>>> to independent
>>>
>>> travel is unjustly jeopardized when we enter a taxi that has critical
>>> features that cannot be independently accessed by the blind.  The laws of
>>> the United
>>>
>>> States and the state of California require, and blind Americans demand,
>>> that
>>> RideCharge and taxicab companies make all of their self-service terminals
>>>
>>> accessible to blind taxi riders."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The National Federation of the Blind and the individual plaintiffs are
>>> represented in this matter by Laurence Paradis, Stuart Seaborn, Michael
>>> Nunez, and
>>>
>>> Haben Girma of the Berkeley firm Disability Rights Advocates; Scott
>>> LaBarre
>>> of the Denver firm LaBarre Law Offices; and Timothy Elder of the Fremont,
>>> California
>>>
>>> firm
>>>
>>> TRE Legal Practice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> About the National Federation of the Blind
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) is the oldest, largest, and
>>> most
>>> influential nationwide membership organization of blind people in the
>>> United
>>>
>>> States.  Founded in 1940, the NFB advocates for the civil rights and
>>> equality of blind Americans, and develops innovative education,
>>> technology,
>>> and training
>>>
>>> programs to provide the blind and those who are losing vision with the
>>> tools
>>> they need to become independent and successful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Logo -
>>>
>>> http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20120815/MM57966LOGO
>>>
>>>
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