[nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
joe harcz Comcast
joeharcz at comcast.net
Mon Feb 3 11:43:29 UTC 2014
Say sir I think you do work too much for suppression of information and the
business of promoting access for the blind.
I also think you are a bit conflicted in regards to BSBP, or certainly
cannot be impartial since you contract with them.
See:
Payments to A T GUYS, LLC by LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS for fiscal
year 2013
Table with 4 columns and 8 rows
Agency Name
Category Description
Warrant Date
Payments Total
LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS
Contractual Services Supplies and Materials
10/1/2013
$268.29
LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS
Contractual Services Supplies and Materials
9/24/2013
$969.78
LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS
Contractual Services Supplies and Materials
9/11/2013
$623.78
LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS
Contractual Services Supplies and Materials
7/30/2013
$203.29
LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS
Contractual Services Supplies and Materials
6/21/2013
$190.00
LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS
Contractual Services Supplies and Materials
2/27/2013
$190.00
LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS
Contractual Services Supplies and Materials
2/20/2013
$1,555.00
Source:
http://media.state.mi.us/MiTransparency/Vendor/Warrants?y=2013&v=A%20T%20GUYS%2C%20LLC&a=641&g=Contractual%20Services%20Supplies%20and%20Materials&Column=WarrantDate&Direction=Descending
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
> Thanks, I'll handle this off list with the appropriate people.
>
> Best regards,
> J.J.
>
> On 2/2/2014 6:19 PM, joe harcz Comcast wrote:
>> Again I refer you to the position papers, resolutions, etc. on this
>> matter for guidance.
>>
>>
>> And your comments about grounds for list removal are simply out of line,
>> period and end of story and what I am so bloody offended about.
>>
>> As again I'm doing the business of the federation, blind persons etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> \
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 5:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>
>>
>>> Just as a quick clarification, my biggest issue is the practice of
>>> submitting a FOIA request and then doing a CC or carbon copy to this
>>> list. THis makes it appear that the NFB of Michigan is involved, and
>>> this is simply not true. This is a gross misrepresentation of our
>>> organization and is grounds for list removal at the very least, IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> J.J.
>>>
>>> On 1/31/2014 10:45 PM, Fred Wurtzel wrote:
>>>> Hello David,
>>>>
>>>> Fundamentally, I agree with you. I do not find it necessary to se 3 or
>>>> 4 of
>>>> the same messages in a row on the same topic to the same people as
>>>> adding
>>>> anything to my knowledge. After all, how many rejections of perfectly
>>>> reasonable FOIA requests do we need to see to get the idea that the
>>>> agency
>>>> is corrupt and not cooperative with blind consumers. Most of us are
>>>> pretty
>>>> sharp people. We do not need a hundred examples before we get the
>>>> point.
>>>> If we wish to build a record in a public venue, perhaps we could start
>>>> a new
>>>> list for that purpose. To me this is a much narrower and specialized
>>>> endeavor. If a public record is the point, then, we could easily
>>>> accommodate that without filling up our list with this material.
>>>> Again,,
>>>> clearly, there are differences of opinion on the best use for andd
>>>> content
>>>> on, our NFBMI list. It is my own opinion that we are not making best
>>>> use of
>>>> our list and that is not benefiting our members or our public outreach
>>>> possibilities as it is currently operating.
>>>>
>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> David
>>>> Robinson
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:10 PM
>>>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>>>
>>>> Dear Fred,
>>>>
>>>> As a member and a NFB of Michigan board member, I appreciate all
>>>> the
>>>> information I recieve from the list. It may be a lot of information
>>>> but
>>>> most of it is very important for us, as leaders in the NFBMi, to
>>>> understand
>>>> and learn. I choose to take all information on the list and absorb
>>>> what I
>>>> want and disgard what i not. For me, the more information the better,
>>>> and
>>>> please don't forget it is my right to post information even though it
>>>> may
>>>> not be important to you. I place different information into different
>>>> folders sometimes thinking even though this information is not new or
>>>> critical at the moment, it may be of use at some point.
>>>> I for one would welcome even more postings from members on
>>>> information
>>>> that is important to them. We all have to keep our own mailbox inorder
>>>> and
>>>> not expect someone to do it for us.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
>>>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 1:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello J.J.,
>>>>>
>>>>> I do agree that the excessive and redundant volume of FOIA requests
>>>>> and
>>>>> then
>>>>> the resulting correspondences does little to benefit the purpose of
>>>>> this
>>>>> list. The knowledge of the need for information and the information
>>>>> about
>>>>> the lack of responsiveness is valuable information but can simply be
>>>>> summarized by a quick note to the list that such and such documents
>>>>> are
>>>>> supposed to be available and are not. An analysis of the state of
>>>>> access
>>>>> relative to a building or report can also be useful, but the pages and
>>>>> pages
>>>>> of repetitious material detracts from the appropriate communication
>>>>> among
>>>>> members about the matters of this organization and this list. Anyone
>>>>> may
>>>>> start their own list to publicize their issue. This list belongs to
>>>>> us
>>>>> and
>>>>> we have the right to determine the content of the list. I am not
>>>>> suggesting
>>>>> we limit the views of any member, only the kind of content we publish.
>>>>> For
>>>>> that matter, we could start a list for governmental communications
>>>>> where
>>>>> such things could be published and discussed. I would not oppose such
>>>>> a
>>>>> list. I feel the excessive amount of governmental communications and
>>>>> complaints posted here have pretty much eliminated any ongoing
>>>>> conversations
>>>>> among our members.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a board meeting coming up. This would be a good place for
>>>>> such a
>>>>> proposal. A discussion among our members, there, would determine our
>>>>> policy
>>>>> in an appropriate and democratic way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good idea, J.J..
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> joe
>>>>> harcz Comcast
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:45 PM
>>>>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>>>>
>>>>> Access is a civil right!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:41 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to propose a list policy that we do not allow official
>>>>>> government
>>>>>> business, FOIA requests, etc. to be sent and then copied or forwarded
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> this list. In addition to the potential overload of email it creates,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> has the possibility of giving the impression that the NFB of
>>>>>> Michigan is
>>>>>> a party to the request where it was not. This is potentially damaging
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> our reputation and may hinder the progress that we are trying to
>>>>>> make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> J.J.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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