[nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy

Mon Feb 3 04:08:58 UTC 2014

Thanks, I'll handle this off list with the appropriate people.

Best regards,
J.J.

On 2/2/2014 6:19 PM, joe harcz Comcast wrote:
> Again I refer you to the position papers, resolutions, etc. on this 
> matter for guidance.
>
>
> And your comments about grounds for list removal are simply out of 
> line, period and end of story and what I am so bloody offended about.
>
> As again I'm doing the business of the federation, blind persons etc.
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>
>
>> Just as a quick clarification, my biggest issue is the practice of 
>> submitting a FOIA request and then doing a CC or carbon copy to this 
>> list. THis makes it appear that the NFB of Michigan is involved, and 
>> this is simply not true. This is a gross misrepresentation of our 
>> organization and is grounds for list removal at the very least, IMHO.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> J.J.
>>
>> On 1/31/2014 10:45 PM, Fred Wurtzel wrote:
>>> Hello David,
>>>
>>> Fundamentally, I agree with you.  I do not find it necessary to se 3 
>>> or 4 of
>>> the same messages in a row on the same topic to the same people as 
>>> adding
>>> anything to my knowledge.  After all, how many rejections of perfectly
>>> reasonable FOIA requests do we need to see to get the idea that the 
>>> agency
>>> is corrupt and not cooperative with blind consumers.  Most of us are 
>>> pretty
>>> sharp people.  We do not need a hundred examples before we get the 
>>> point.
>>> If we wish to build a record in a public venue, perhaps we could 
>>> start a new
>>> list for that purpose. To me this is a much narrower and specialized
>>> endeavor.  If a public record is the point, then, we could easily
>>> accommodate that without filling up our list with this material.  
>>> Again,,
>>> clearly, there are differences of opinion on the best use for andd 
>>> content
>>> on, our NFBMI list. It is my own opinion that we are not making best 
>>> use of
>>> our list and that is not benefiting our members or our public outreach
>>> possibilities as it is currently operating.
>>>
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> David
>>> Robinson
>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:10 PM
>>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>>
>>> Dear Fred,
>>>
>>>     As a member and a NFB of Michigan board member, I appreciate all 
>>> the
>>> information I recieve from the list.  It may be  a lot of 
>>> information but
>>> most of it is very important for us, as leaders in the NFBMi, to 
>>> understand
>>> and learn.  I choose to take all information on the list and absorb 
>>> what I
>>> want and disgard what i not. For me, the more information the 
>>> better, and
>>> please don't forget it is my right to post information even though 
>>> it may
>>> not be important to you.  I place different information into different
>>> folders sometimes thinking even though this information is not new or
>>> critical at the moment, it may be of use at some point.
>>>     I for one would welcome even more postings from members on 
>>> information
>>> that is important to them.  We all have to keep our own mailbox 
>>> inorder and
>>> not expect someone to do it for us.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
>>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 1:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello J.J.,
>>>>
>>>> I do agree that the excessive and redundant volume of FOIA requests 
>>>> and
>>>> then
>>>> the resulting correspondences does little to benefit the purpose of 
>>>> this
>>>> list.  The knowledge of the need for information and the 
>>>> information about
>>>> the lack of responsiveness is valuable information but can simply be
>>>> summarized by a quick note to the list that such and such documents 
>>>> are
>>>> supposed to be available and are not.  An analysis of the state of 
>>>> access
>>>> relative to a building or report can also be useful, but the pages and
>>>> pages
>>>> of repetitious material detracts from the appropriate communication 
>>>> among
>>>> members about the matters of this organization and this list.  
>>>> Anyone may
>>>> start their own list to publicize their issue.  This list belongs 
>>>> to us
>>>> and
>>>> we have the right to determine the content of the list.  I am not
>>>> suggesting
>>>> we limit the views of any member, only the kind of content we publish.
>>>> For
>>>> that matter, we could start a list for governmental communications 
>>>> where
>>>> such things could be published and discussed.  I would not oppose 
>>>> such a
>>>> list.  I feel the excessive amount of governmental communications and
>>>> complaints posted here have pretty much eliminated any ongoing
>>>> conversations
>>>> among our members.
>>>>
>>>> We have a board meeting coming up.  This would be a good place for 
>>>> such a
>>>> proposal.  A discussion among our members, there, would determine our
>>>> policy
>>>> in an appropriate and democratic way.
>>>>
>>>> Good idea, J.J..
>>>>
>>>> Warm Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>>>> Of joe
>>>> harcz Comcast
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:45 PM
>>>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>>>
>>>> Access is a civil right!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:41 PM
>>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to propose a list policy that we do not allow official
>>>>> government
>>>>> business, FOIA requests, etc. to be sent and then copied or 
>>>>> forwarded to
>>>>> this list. In addition to the potential overload of email it 
>>>>> creates, it
>>>>> has the possibility  of giving the impression that the NFB of 
>>>>> Michigan is
>>>>> a party to the request where it was not. This is potentially 
>>>>> damaging to
>>>>> our reputation and may hinder the progress that we are trying to 
>>>>> make.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> J.J.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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