[nfbmi-talk] Fw: FOIA Response to Request for Information onAttorney General Expenditures

Terry D. Eagle terrydeagle at yahoo.com
Tue Jan 14 19:01:12 UTC 2014

As usual, this request response is ridiculous.  I propose that we begin
sending every such response to all members of the Michigan House and Senate,
1) Inquiring why such expenditure information is not readily available
without cost to taxpayers, and 2)  asking for oversight hearings on BS4BP
and LARA with regard to expenditures, and 3) request the legislator to
request the same information from the BS4BP.  Let's see if this has any
positive impact on getting taxpayer funded financial expenditure

Anyone wanting all of the House and senate e-mail addresses can contact me
-----Original Message-----
From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of joe
harcz Comcast
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:23 PM
To: nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: FOIA Response to Request for Information
onAttorney General Expenditures

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Haynes, Carla (LARA) 
To: joe harcz Comcast 
Cc: Rodgers, Edward (LARA) ; Luzenski, Sue (LARA) ; Pemble, Mike (LARA) ;
Belknap, Katie (LARA) 
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 1:53 PM
Subject: FOIA Response to Request for Information on Attorney General

January 9, 2014


Mr. Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.

E-mail: joeharcz at comcast.net

1365 E. Mt. Morris Rd.

Mt. Morris, MI 48458


Re:  FOIA Response to Request for Information on Attorney General Fees


Dear Mr. Harcz, Jr.:


This email is in response to your December 13, 2013, email request for
information, received by this office on December 14, 2013.  Please be
advised that the Bureau of Services for Blind Persons (BSBP) is processing
this request under the state's Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), MCL 15.231
et seq.  An extension was taken on this request to January 9, 2014, as
permitted under Section 5(2)(d) of the FOIA.


You have requested information as described in your email (also included
below) as:


"8140 ATTORNEY GENERAL FEES $184,086.59 - Anyway can you break out the line
item above and for what these expenditures went to?"


Your request is granted as to existing, nonexempt documents pertaining to
your request.  We estimate that the time to process this request is 5 hours.
Section 4(1) of the FOIA, MCL 15.234(1), provides that a public body may
charge a fee for public record search, including the mailing costs, the cost
of duplication or publication including labor, the cost of search,
examination, review, and the deletion and separation of exempt from
nonexempt information.


Please note that nothing within the federal American with Disabilities Act
(ADA), Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (RA), as amended, or

FOIA Response - P.J. Harcz, Jr.

January 9, 2014

Page 2 of 2




the state's FOIA (MCL 15.231 et seq.) requires a public body to process FOIA
requests free of charge.  Further, while the ADA and Section 504 of the RA
may mandate that, upon request, material be produced in an FOIA accessible
format without charge, neither the ADA or Section 504 of the RA preclude a
public body from charging costs under the state's FOIA. Thusly, please note
that no labor fee charges have been, or will be, assessed to convert
existing, nonexempt public records responsive to your requests into an
accessible format to forward to you.


In order to complete the processing of your request, and based on the hourly
wages and benefits of the lowest paid Department employee capable of
performing the necessary tasks to process your request, we are requesting a
deposit of $96.40 in order to begin the processing of this request.  An
invoice is attached that outlines the costs.


Once payment is received for the deposit, we will begin the processing of
your request.  Once the process is complete, we will notify you of any
additional payment due (if any) for the actual cost of the request.  When we
receive this payment, we will send the information either to you via email
or in the U.S. Mail on a USB flash drive (depending on the amount of
material responsive to your request).




Carla Miller Haynes, FOIA Coordinator

Bureau of Services for Blind Persons


Attachment:  Invoice & Email Request for Information


cc:     Edward F. Rodgers II

Sue Luzenski

          Mike Pemble

Katie Belknap

          Elsie Duell







Mr. Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.

E-mail: joeharcz at comcast.net

1365 E. Mt. Morris Rd.

Mt. Morris, MI 48458


REQUEST RECEIVED:  December 14, 2013





REQUESTED INFORMATION WILL BE:  Emailed/Invoiced For Payment

ACCOUNT CODE:  Index:   36200        PCA: 11343


DLARA CONTACT:  Melvin Farmer, Central FOIA Coordinator

(517) 373-0194, Ottawa Building, 4th Floor, 611 W. Ottawa, Lansing, MI


The FOIA provides that the department may charge a fee to comply with
requests for public records.  The processing fee is composed of hourly wages
and benefit costs of the lowest paid employee(s) capable of processing the
request; the duplication of records at assessed costs per page; mailing
costs; and other related special costs.  Prior to searching and copying
requested records, the department may request full payment or 50% of the
estimated costs exceeding $50.00 with the balance required before mailing
the records.  Assessed costs are related to your request for:


"8140 ATTORNEY GENERAL FEES $184,086.59 - Anyway can you break out the line
item above and for what these expenditures went to?"






          Locating and Duplicating Cost:  

Number of Hours:  4 hrs. x Hourly Rate: $31.06 = Amount:      $124.24

          Examining and Extracting Cost:  

                   Number of Hours: 1 hrs. x Hourly Rate: $37.50 = Amount:

TOTAL LABOR:           $161.74

POSTAGE (estimate):           To be determined based on the amount of

DUPLICATING:  Number of Pages (0) times Copying Rate of $0

OTHER (overtime, audio tapes, discs, photos, security, etc.):  $0


SUBTOTAL:  $161.74

Less waived indigency fee under FOIA Act MCL 15.234 Section 4(1):      


INVOICE TOTAL:        $161.74


DEPOSIT* $80.87


TO BE PAID*:     $80.87


Make check or money order payable to:         STATE OF MICHIGAN

Remit to:              Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs

Office Services Mailroom

7150 Harris Drive, PO Box 30015

Lansing, MI  48909




*Please note that if a deposit is requested, the indicated amount is an
estimate of the cost of complying with your request.  The actual cost may
vary somewhat from this amount.



From: joe harcz Comcast [mailto:joeharcz at comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 12:13 AM
To: Rodgers, Edward (LARA)
Cc: Zimmer, Mike (LARA); Mike Pemble BSBP Dep. Dir.; Ellis, Sharon (DTMB);
nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org; commissioner-hudson at outlook.com; Joe Sibley MCBVI
Pres.; Marianne Dunn; BSBPcommissioners; Elmer Cerano MPAS;
Christyne.Cavataio at ed.gov; Sally Conway USDOJ; OCR Cleveland Office; valarie
Barnum Yarger MISILC; BRIAN SABOURIN; MARK CODY; Laura Hall; Scott Heinzman
ADAPT; Leigh Campbell-Earl; Norm DeLisle
Subject: open question due process ag bsbp


December 13 2013 Attorney General QuesstionsPaul Joseph Harcz, Jr.

1365 E. Mt. Morris Rd.

Mt. Morris, MI 48458

Joeharcz at comcast.net


To: (Mich) Bureau of Services for Blind Persons


Edward Rodgers II BSBP Director

Michael Pemble BSBP Deputy Director

And others BSBP


All via conventional e-mail


Dear All,


I am amused by the following item from the BSBP expense report which by the
by you and your flunkies in state government, including the so-called FOIA
officials of LARA,  alternately in the public record wished to make me pay
for and/or said didn't exist with ersatz and illegal and other abuses of the
Michigan Freedom of Information Act let alone the discriminatory abuses of
the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 and let alone the rights under
Section 504 of the very Rehabilitation Act that funds your entity in the
first place:


"8140 ATTORNEY GENERAL FEES $184,086.59 




Now this expenditure seems really high to me and I would like it broken
down. Now did some of these fees for example relate to the AG's offices
denials of substantial due process rights for BEP operators in the MAHS or
other dispute resolution process? Or did some of them go to ways for
circumventing the ADA and Section 504 in the abuse of the FOIA process? Or
did some of this funding simply act as a transfer to the A.G.'s office or
what for its role in rewriting rules long established for the Business
Enterprise Program?


Or are these extradinary fees used to insulate the BSBP at taxpayer's
expense its known liabilities for past actions?

Regardless, I am not a lawyer unlike you Mr. Rodgers and I don't have state
sponsored law clerks like you do at my behests, though I wonder what   on
earth a Director of an agency for the blind would need or even want a law
clerk is beyond me as you are not acting as a law firm or lawyer are you in
this capacity?


Anyway I'm sort of wondering out loud here and bare with me ok, but it kind
of looks like you are using funds meant for the rehabilitation of the blind
of Michigan to fund the Michigan Attorney General's Office to actually
circumvent that directed mission and goal. Please correct me if you will if
this assertion is inaccurate or wrong.


Oh yes by the way I got this data and line item from a non-disabled, and
sighted State Representative in fully accessible format and for free in the
interest of transparency and yet again in demonstrable fashion you and
others in LARA have illegally and capriciously and in discriminatory fashion
have either told me this information didn't exist in the first place or that
I had to pay a very large fee for it even though it didn't exist.

Hmm.Sounds discriminatory and obstructionists and in violation of several
laws to me. But what the heck I'm only an average blind guy and not a superb
liar  (lawyer) like yourself and those above you right?


Anyway can you break out the line item above and for what these expenditures
went to?


Say you know as a sort of humorous aside I love the law and silly me thinks
this state and our Democratic-Republic is based upon a simple principle that
the rule of law should be above the rule of men. And, silly me I think that
blind folks including little old me and indeed all others with disabilities
should have equal protection and due process under law. And, silly me I
think that people engaging the rehabilitation system in Michigan with
disabilities should have total access to it and that, indeed access alone is
a civil right.


Well silly me I want some answers to this one silly question which citizens
pay for sirs.


Of course by now I request all responses to this inquiry be made in
accessible format without any surcharge including the one you build in to
ersatz FOIA responses be made by simple e-mail as plain text enclosures as
an accommodation to my blindness.


I'd thank you in advance for a prompt and compliant response to this request
but given a pattern and practice of malicious, intentinal and documented
violations of my civil rights in the past it is bloodywell hard to do so.




Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.


P.S. Sorry for misspellings and that sort of thing but I'm having
difficulties with my computer and assistive technology and unlike
self-annointed and priveledged public servants like you I don't have
secretaries, federally funded law clerks, or all of the rescources of the
state of Michigan to do these humble things. It's kind of an undue hardship
upon my humble person to even have to request this sort of stuff from your




Cc: Commission for Blind Persons





Cc: Sharon Ellis MI ADA Coordinator

Cc: several






Carla Miller Haynes

LARA Bureau of Services for Blind Persons (BSBP)

201 N. Washington Square, 2nd Floor

P.O. Box 30652

Lansing, MI  48909

Telephone:  517-373-2063 or Toll-Free 1-800-292-4200

Fax:  517-335-5140




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