[nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares

Wed Nov 5 19:27:29 UTC 2014

I absolutely agree and will not tolerate this behavior on a public list 
such as this one.

Best regards,
J.J.

On 11/4/2014 6:31 AM, Donna Posont via nfbmi-talk wrote:
> This is exactly correct that we all serve in different ways and need 
> not judge one another for our contributions. I for one will not 
> tolerate this criticism of Jeff on the list. On Sunday of the state 
> convention after people like Joe Harsh were long gone I witnessed Jeff 
> and his family taking down the sound system that was used at the 
> convention. Obviously we do not all participate by writing speeches on 
> the list. I am not afraid of a rant directed towards me by Joe Harsh 
> because that has already happened. In case noone has notice it has 
> happpened to quite a few hard working federationists and also there 
> are few people participating on this list at this time. Now we have 
> provided a separate list for Joe Harsh to use for his rants and he 
> cannot leave the NFBM list alone to be a safe place for blind persons 
> to dialogue about life  lived while being blind. Again Jeff Crouch and 
> his brother Steven have been changing what it means to be blind in 
> Michigan for many years and the previous condemnation of them is 
> unacceptable and must not be tolerated on this list.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Pauline Smith via nfbmi-talk
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 11:51 PM
> To: Jeff Crouch- k8tvv ; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares
>
> One should not be yelled at when they cannot attend the meeting or 
> participate in an event. After all, most people have lives that are 
> not just devoted to one organization or one area. These are the kind 
> of things that discourage new members or potential new members and 
> will also turn away your current members.
>
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>> Original Message:
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>> From: Jeff Crouch- k8tvv via nfbmi-talk <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: November 3, 2014 10:46:57 PM
>> To: joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares
>>
>> Hello,
>> I never said that I didn't appreciate the work that blind people do to
>> fight for the rights that are rightfully ours. Alls I was stating was
>> that there's a place for that, and on a general list where people may
>> not be well versed in legal afairs, it can scare them away.
>> Obviously my message was miss interpreted.
>> On the subject of my activeness in the local chapter, some times in
>> life things come up and those things take priority. For the public
>> record since you bring it up on the list, I had a friend pass away who
>> was like a brother to me. Its made every living day of my life hell
>> for the past 2 months. So yeah, if I can't make it to a meeting it's
>> because I had a prier commitment, an emergency, or something that I
>> feel wouldn't be professional to our membors has come up, and when I
>> call to say that I can't make it or do something I'm tired of being
>> yelled at for something that isn't in my control, I'm human just like
>> you, I'm entitled to mistakes just like every other person on this
>> list.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> On 11/3/14, joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz at comcast.net> wrote:
>> > Hi Jeff,
>> >
>> > When will you become an active dues paying member of the Flint Area 
>> > Chapter
>> >
>> > of the NFB?
>> >
>> > You know you are welcome and even a nominal board member.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jeff Crouch- k8tvv via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 8:43 PM
>> > Subject: [nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hello all,
>> >> Coming from a person who doesn't really want to look at governmental
>> >> hoopla everyday all day as I'm looking through my email, I think that
>> >> the governmental a fares list is very appropriate. It is each 
>> person's
>> >> choice whether they want to read that or not, and if they do, then
>> >> they can subscribe to that list. There have been quite a few people
>> >> who I know personally who aren't on this list because of all the
>> >> governmental legal stuff that is posted.
>> >> If we want to grow our list serve we have to reflect things that will
>> >> be understandable to common people, so that way we don't scare them
>> >> off by all the quote unquote big technical legal talk.
>> >> Then as they grow to understand the legal things then they can have a
>> >> dedicated place for that.
>> >> This is just how I feel from someone who doesn't understand a lot of
>> >> what's posted. This list is important to me, and I want it to be a
>> >> good place for others to get good information.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >> Skype: magic2127
>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/k8tvv
>> >> Fb: apdc19 at gmail.com
>> >> 73
>> >> k8tvv
>> >> Jeff Crouch
>> >>
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>>
>> -- 
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>> 73
>> k8tvv
>> Jeff Crouch
>>
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