[nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares

Wed Nov 5 21:13:37 UTC 2014

Dear All, 

With respect I know I tried to bring this up before and I got grilled for it by some but I do think that anyone who posts to a list should consider: 

1. has if been posted on a lot of lists (if so maybe people have copy already)
2. Attaching of others--our Internet posts could follow us (public list). Therefore, leaving something positive is never bad. 

The major we should consider is the blindness community is a small one--so of these people have jobs and others may not. Since it's a network of people and blaming/accusing can burn bridges we may want to keep or at lest I know I do: 

Open lists mean:
1. People from different background 
2. Differing views 
3. different ways of expressing ourselves 

When on a mailing list you can delate the posts, skip them, but in the work place or in world we most work with people who we may not agree with. 

I do think sometimes it's forgotten if we would not it to persons face than we should not type it to them. Therefore, the computer dose not having feelings, backgrounds (family, friends, and groups) these effect effect people. I think all lists would be better if we remembered that people are behind the screen are people with feelings and we should not discount feelings. 

I'm not meaning to express myself as if I've never made a mistake --people know when you say you did nothing that your covering reality and that's what I call hoarse crap. 

To Jeff I know your referencing and a loss takes time as people handle it differently. I know I'm upset, reality sets in (a week), sadness, reindeers and acceptance: no education will teach us tolerance of others, it's through our journey that we accept other points of view and people. Lessons in life teach us things we either learn or do not.         

This list is an example of what humans can struggle. 

Respectfully,
Nadia 

> " <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I absolutely agree and will not tolerate this behavior on a public list such as this one.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> J.J.
> 
>> On 11/4/2014 6:31 AM, Donna Posont via nfbmi-talk wrote:
>> This is exactly correct that we all serve in different ways and need not judge one another for our contributions. I for one will not tolerate this criticism of Jeff on the list. On Sunday of the state convention after people like Joe Harsh were long gone I witnessed Jeff and his family taking down the sound system that was used at the convention. Obviously we do not all participate by writing speeches on the list. I am not afraid of a rant directed towards me by Joe Harsh because that has already happened. In case noone has notice it has happpened to quite a few hard working federationists and also there are few people participating on this list at this time. Now we have provided a separate list for Joe Harsh to use for his rants and he cannot leave the NFBM list alone to be a safe place for blind persons to dialogue about life  lived while being blind. Again Jeff Crouch and his brother Steven have been changing what it means to be blind in Michigan for many years and the previous condemnation of them is unacceptable and must not be tolerated on this list.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Pauline Smith via nfbmi-talk
>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 11:51 PM
>> To: Jeff Crouch- k8tvv ; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares
>> 
>> One should not be yelled at when they cannot attend the meeting or participate in an event. After all, most people have lives that are not just devoted to one organization or one area. These are the kind of things that discourage new members or potential new members and will also turn away your current members.
>> 
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>>> Original Message:
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> 
>>> From: Jeff Crouch- k8tvv via nfbmi-talk <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: November 3, 2014 10:46:57 PM
>>> To: joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I never said that I didn't appreciate the work that blind people do to
>>> fight for the rights that are rightfully ours. Alls I was stating was
>>> that there's a place for that, and on a general list where people may
>>> not be well versed in legal afairs, it can scare them away.
>>> Obviously my message was miss interpreted.
>>> On the subject of my activeness in the local chapter, some times in
>>> life things come up and those things take priority. For the public
>>> record since you bring it up on the list, I had a friend pass away who
>>> was like a brother to me. Its made every living day of my life hell
>>> for the past 2 months. So yeah, if I can't make it to a meeting it's
>>> because I had a prier commitment, an emergency, or something that I
>>> feel wouldn't be professional to our membors has come up, and when I
>>> call to say that I can't make it or do something I'm tired of being
>>> yelled at for something that isn't in my control, I'm human just like
>>> you, I'm entitled to mistakes just like every other person on this
>>> list.
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>>> On 11/3/14, joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>> 
>>>> When will you become an active dues paying member of the Flint Area > Chapter
>>>> 
>>>> of the NFB?
>>>> 
>>>> You know you are welcome and even a nominal board member.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jeff Crouch- k8tvv via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 8:43 PM
>>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> Coming from a person who doesn't really want to look at governmental
>>>>> hoopla everyday all day as I'm looking through my email, I think that
>>>>> the governmental a fares list is very appropriate. It is each person's
>>>>> choice whether they want to read that or not, and if they do, then
>>>>> they can subscribe to that list. There have been quite a few people
>>>>> who I know personally who aren't on this list because of all the
>>>>> governmental legal stuff that is posted.
>>>>> If we want to grow our list serve we have to reflect things that will
>>>>> be understandable to common people, so that way we don't scare them
>>>>> off by all the quote unquote big technical legal talk.
>>>>> Then as they grow to understand the legal things then they can have a
>>>>> dedicated place for that.
>>>>> This is just how I feel from someone who doesn't understand a lot of
>>>>> what's posted. This list is important to me, and I want it to be a
>>>>> good place for others to get good information.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cell: 810-931-7763
>>>>> Skype: magic2127
>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/k8tvv
>>>>> Fb: apdc19 at gmail.com
>>>>> 73
>>>>> k8tvv
>>>>> Jeff Crouch
>>>>> 
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>>> -- 
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>>> 73
>>> k8tvv
>>> Jeff Crouch
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