[nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares

joe harcz Comcast joeharcz at comcast.net
Thu Nov 6 00:08:35 UTC 2014


This was hardly an attack but a simple question. But several attacks have 
been made upon my person and position.

Here is the quote at issue which was a simple question:
">> > Hi Jeff,
>> >
>> > When will you become an active dues paying member of the Flint Area
>> > Chapter
>> >
>> > of the NFB?
>> >
>> > You know you are welcome and even a nominal board member."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.J. Meddaugh via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: <donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com>; "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" 
<nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares


>I absolutely agree and will not tolerate this behavior on a public list 
>such as this one.
>
>
> Best regards,
> J.J.
>
> On 11/4/2014 6:31 AM, Donna Posont via nfbmi-talk wrote:
>> This is exactly correct that we all serve in different ways and need not 
>> judge one another for our contributions. I for one will not tolerate this 
>> criticism of Jeff on the list. On Sunday of the state convention after 
>> people like Joe Harsh were long gone I witnessed Jeff and his family 
>> taking down the sound system that was used at the convention. Obviously 
>> we do not all participate by writing speeches on the list. I am not 
>> afraid of a rant directed towards me by Joe Harsh because that has 
>> already happened. In case noone has notice it has happpened to quite a 
>> few hard working federationists and also there are few people 
>> participating on this list at this time. Now we have provided a separate 
>> list for Joe Harsh to use for his rants and he cannot leave the NFBM list 
>> alone to be a safe place for blind persons to dialogue about life  lived 
>> while being blind. Again Jeff Crouch and his brother Steven have been 
>> changing what it means to be blind in Michigan for many years and the 
>> previous condemnation of them is unacceptable and must not be tolerated 
>> on this list.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Pauline Smith via nfbmi-talk
>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 11:51 PM
>> To: Jeff Crouch- k8tvv ; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares
>>
>> One should not be yelled at when they cannot attend the meeting or 
>> participate in an event. After all, most people have lives that are not 
>> just devoted to one organization or one area. These are the kind of 
>> things that discourage new members or potential new members and will also 
>> turn away your current members.
>>
>> Pauline Smith sent you this voice-to-text generated email using Voice on 
>> the Go.
>> To listen, click on the voice message link or open the attachment.
>> https://vemail1.whitelabelapp.net:443/enterprise/Recordings/4SXj2O5U-20141103-2346.wav
>>
>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> ---------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: Jeff Crouch- k8tvv via nfbmi-talk <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: November 3, 2014 10:46:57 PM
>>> To: joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I never said that I didn't appreciate the work that blind people do to
>>> fight for the rights that are rightfully ours. Alls I was stating was
>>> that there's a place for that, and on a general list where people may
>>> not be well versed in legal afairs, it can scare them away.
>>> Obviously my message was miss interpreted.
>>> On the subject of my activeness in the local chapter, some times in
>>> life things come up and those things take priority. For the public
>>> record since you bring it up on the list, I had a friend pass away who
>>> was like a brother to me. Its made every living day of my life hell
>>> for the past 2 months. So yeah, if I can't make it to a meeting it's
>>> because I had a prier commitment, an emergency, or something that I
>>> feel wouldn't be professional to our membors has come up, and when I
>>> call to say that I can't make it or do something I'm tired of being
>>> yelled at for something that isn't in my control, I'm human just like
>>> you, I'm entitled to mistakes just like every other person on this
>>> list.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> On 11/3/14, joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> > Hi Jeff,
>>> >
>>> > When will you become an active dues paying member of the Flint Area 
>>> > Chapter
>>> >
>>> > of the NFB?
>>> >
>>> > You know you are welcome and even a nominal board member.
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Jeff Crouch- k8tvv via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 8:43 PM
>>> > Subject: [nfbmi-talk] general versis governmental afares
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Hello all,
>>> >> Coming from a person who doesn't really want to look at governmental
>>> >> hoopla everyday all day as I'm looking through my email, I think that
>>> >> the governmental a fares list is very appropriate. It is each
>>> person's
>>> >> choice whether they want to read that or not, and if they do, then
>>> >> they can subscribe to that list. There have been quite a few people
>>> >> who I know personally who aren't on this list because of all the
>>> >> governmental legal stuff that is posted.
>>> >> If we want to grow our list serve we have to reflect things that will
>>> >> be understandable to common people, so that way we don't scare them
>>> >> off by all the quote unquote big technical legal talk.
>>> >> Then as they grow to understand the legal things then they can have a
>>> >> dedicated place for that.
>>> >> This is just how I feel from someone who doesn't understand a lot of
>>> >> what's posted. This list is important to me, and I want it to be a
>>> >> good place for others to get good information.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Cell: 810-931-7763
>>> >> Skype: magic2127
>>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/k8tvv
>>> >> Fb: apdc19 at gmail.com
>>> >> 73
>>> >> k8tvv
>>> >> Jeff Crouch
>>> >>
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>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Cell: 810-931-7763
>>> Skype: magic2127
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>>> 73
>>> k8tvv
>>> Jeff Crouch
>>>
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