[Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?

Dewey Bradley dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com
Sat Oct 29 18:28:19 UTC 2011


Well we have 2 garries, I spoked with your husband about the Springfield 
chapter

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?


> Hello , I would like for you to understand that I did not think you were 
> trashing God, your spirititual beliefs are your own. My take was that you 
> were thinking that the trivia night being discussed at a church was 
> purposely trying to be difficult for the blind, that is why I said you 
> were.
>
> As for the Springfield chapter, their low number and age is why we are 
> trying to help them to grow. They are good people and hard working, they 
> do not belong to another group. As for your private message to Gary, I 
> never saw it so do not know what you are referring to, but you do continue 
> to mention his name in a negative way on the list. He works hard to try to 
> keep things together in Springfield. Your help would always be welcome, I 
> do not know where you live in KC, but we have a wonderful chapter made up 
> of people of many different personalities. Shelia Wright is their 
> president and I know she would welcome  membership.
>
> The name Missouri many canoes, and as both Gary Wunder  and Jim Moynihan 
> have mentioned we need help in rowing those canoes. We help many blind 
> people who are members and non members alike, we are offering a paddle to 
> you. Will by our take i?
>
> My  home phone is 573 874 1774, if you would like the number for some KC 
> folks, give me a call and I will help put you in touch.
>
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>
>
>> Well I'll set the record streight on this
>> I was a member, I joined the Denver chapter back in 97 when I was going 
>> through my training at the CCB
>> I agree with the philosophy, that's why I am on these lists anyway.
>> I have moved around between 4 states and havent really been able to get 
>> involved
>> I was going to go to the Belleville Illinois chapter, I whent to 2 
>> meetings, but they never showed up at the library after they had the room 
>> booked, I don't remember what was going on with that, but that was in 
>> 2005
>> I whent to some of the meetings in Springfield, but they have like 4 or 5 
>> people, most people there are MCB members, they are mostley older people 
>> that trash the NFB and what it stands for, I don't because I agree like I 
>> said.
>> If I stay in Kansas City I had pland to join the KC chapter, if they will 
>> have me, a co-worker talked me into going.
>> I have had words with some of you, some of it has been me I guess, I 
>> don't word things very well, but you guys also jump all over me some 
>> times.
>> I don't agree politically with most blind people, so some of you have 
>> talked trash about that, but my party has always been call nasty things 
>> like racest and all kinds of stuff, plus I had sent out a message that 
>> was ment only for 1 person in Springfield, Garry knows who that is, we 
>> talk.
>> But it whent out to the who list, and I got jumped over that one.
>> But I am never trying to argue with anyone, we all have the same goles
>> But if everyone would like, then I will take my self off all the lists 
>> until I see if I am going to join, like I said If I stay in Kansas City, 
>> witch I should I guess, then I pland to join.
>> I have also been invited to the Johnson county Kansas meetings in Kansas 
>> City Kansas, witch I plan to attend
>> And so I'm sorry you folks thought I was trashing churches, I was not, 
>> all I was saying was I have never found one that I felt welcome in
>> So if anyone here in KC that knows of one, then my mind is open
>> and yes I believe in God, so don't think I don't
>> Good day to you folks!
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gail Bryant" <gbryant at socket.net>
>> To: "'NFB of Missouri Mailing List'" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 1:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>>
>>
>>> Well nobody is perfect and we all can learn from one another. 
>>> Everyone on
>>> this list has probably had similar experiences about being healed of
>>> blindness.  Sometimes we must realize that society has different 
>>> attitudes
>>> than do we.  Does that make either one of us bad or wrong? Of course 
>>> not.
>>> Remember even the thief on the cross was forgiven, and nobody is 
>>> criticizing
>>> him.  Lighten up and try us.  If you don't like us, then shake off the 
>>> dust
>>> and move on. We need to  remember that this organization helps people. 
>>> But
>>> not everyone wants our help. And some don't think they need us. For me, 
>>> NFB
>>> is like a big family.  Sometimes we hug each other and sometimes we need 
>>> to
>>> give each other a swift boot as a reality check.  Either way, we love 
>>> each
>>> other. I think I could contact any member in this organization and say
>>> something like "Hey whomever I'm excited, or hurt, or whatever and 
>>> they'd
>>> lend their support. By the same token, I've had my share of reality 
>>> checks
>>> and swift kicks from this bunch and that's what helps us grow.
>>>
>>> Gail Bryant
>>> Columbia Braille Teaching Services L.L.C.
>>> 1212 London Drive
>>> Columbia, MO 65203-2012
>>> Phone: (573)817-5993
>>> Cell: (573)268-4962
>>> gbryant at socket.net
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Shelia Wright
>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:54 AM
>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: James Moynihan <jamesmmoynihan at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:59 AM
>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [Nfbmo] Fw:  Fw:  What would you do?
>>>
>>> Dear Dewey:
>>>
>>> I have read your emails for a long time  regarding NFB concerns.  I 
>>> always
>>> assumed you were a member until I was told that you were not a member of
>>> NFB.  Debbie Wunder who is the president's wife invited you to attend a
>>> meeting in Springfield and said she would like you to become a member. 
>>> This
>>> was a friendly invitation to join.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that you are very familiar with NFB and where we stand. I
>>> agree with Debbie that you should go to the Springfield meeting and 
>>> become a
>>> member  .  If you do not go to the meeting  and you do not intend to 
>>> become
>>> a member, in  the future you should refrain from sending emails 
>>> commenting
>>> on the NFB.
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> Jim Moynihan
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: What would you do?
>>>
>>>
>>>> The thing is I wasn't being critical, I was just saying that I my self 
>>>> had
>>>
>>>> had bad experiences, and then everyone starts calling me angry and 
>>>> stuff.
>>>> But I will say no more on this or anything else
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "James Moynihan" <jamesmmoynihan at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:10 PM
>>>> Subject: [Nfbmo] Fw: What would you do?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Dewey et al:
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary Wunder made an analogy between the NFB and a small canoe.  We 
>>>>> have a
>>>
>>>>> small canoe and not enough paddlers.
>>>>>
>>>>> My advice to you is to get in or get out.  I don't understand why you
>>>>> read our emails and make critical comments if you are not a member. 
>>>>> We
>>>>> have to waste our time reading our critical comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I moved to Saint Louis I joined Mary Mother of the Churdch and I
>>>>> participate in their activities. They have learned that it is a stick 
>>>>> not
>>>
>>>>> a cane and that blind people can participate intelligently in group
>>>>> activities.  Ignorance regarding blindness is rampant throughout our
>>>>> society so it is inappropriate to dwell on church members.  Cordially
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim MoynihanWe have a few
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:30 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> nope, I don't think you will see me at anything
>>>>>> have a good day
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:37 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dewey, we would love to have you as a member, if you choose not to 
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> then both you and the NFB are being short changed. It seems to me 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> you often dwell on the negative instead of the positive. Yes I have 
>>>>>>> her
>>>
>>>>>>> negative comments about the blind even from the church groups, But 
>>>>>>> what
>>>
>>>>>>> is ridiculous is the thought that a trivia game is made difficult to
>>>>>>> keep the blind away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will have a meeting in Springfield the first Saturday in 
>>>>>>> November,
>>>>>>> would you like to join us? We would like to have you. If you would 
>>>>>>> like
>>>
>>>>>>> more information please let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope to see you there!
>>>>>>> Debbie
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:32 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A blind pastor said it, like I said, I don't know if the numbers are
>>>>>>>>that high, nore can they tell who goes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But thank you for calling me ridiculous, it really encourages 
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> to join the groups and go to the chapter meetings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:04 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are being ridiculous! Where do you get your facts?
>>>>>>>>> This trivia night issue has nothing to do with god, or opinions of
>>>>>>>>> the blind.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:39 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I wasn't going to reply to this, but I have to say this
>>>>>>>>>> its been my experience that churches and church groups do this, 
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> do not want anyone with a disability around, they just want to 
>>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>> us that if we pray harder we will have are sight back, and that 
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> are evil, that is why we are blind.
>>>>>>>>>> They say that 95% of us don't go to church, I don't know if the
>>>>>>>>>> numbers are that high, but this is why.
>>>>>>>>>> Most people that go to church and call them selves Christians are
>>>>>>>>>> judgmental like that.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying don't go to church, nor am I trying to get a 
>>>>>>>>>> lintch
>>>>>>>>>> mob after me, I'm just saying that is what I've noticed, that is 
>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I never go, every church I have seen do not want blind people
>>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying that is the case here, but it could be
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>> From: "MATTHEW SIEVERT" <msievert at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:33 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Group,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hope you are all well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What I have observed is that many times people will want to 
>>>>>>>>>> "rebel"
>>>>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>>>>> remedy a situation through other means.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Equality for all will not take place over a period of one year or
>>>>>>>>>> even ten
>>>>>>>>>> years, but you can lay the foundation that other's can build 
>>>>>>>>>> upon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Representing a group in a negative light will not win over
>>>>>>>>>> supporters. It will
>>>>>>>>>> bring attention to the issue, but you want people understand, not
>>>>>>>>>> simply notice
>>>>>>>>>> through a negative act.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some day we will have a blind/visually impaired astronaut. Until
>>>>>>>>>> that time we as
>>>>>>>>>> the NFB should do what we can to build upon our organization's
>>>>>>>>>> achievements and
>>>>>>>>>> represent our disabled community in a positive light.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Equality at trivia night's should be obtained, but like all
>>>>>>>>>> challenges, it will
>>>>>>>>>> take time and a calm intellect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sievert
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> From: fred olver <goodfolks at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, October 26, 2011 7:41:12 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have read your comments several times and perhapse even lost 
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>> sleep
>>>>>>>>>> over what I consider to be an afrontery to me and others who 
>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>> wish to
>>>>>>>>>> participate in an activity alongside individuals who are not 
>>>>>>>>>> limited
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> their vision.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me say first of all that a year ago I confronted this 
>>>>>>>>>> situation
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> explained to the individuals in charge that I felt wronged 
>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>> half of
>>>>>>>>>> the questions were undeciferable by myself. Okay, they didn't 
>>>>>>>>>> know I
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> going to be there. This year, however nearly a third of the
>>>>>>>>>> questions were
>>>>>>>>>> again undeciferable by a blind person. It is my feeling that if 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> folks in
>>>>>>>>>> charge know that individuals will be participating who are unable 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> participate in a significant number of questions related to the
>>>>>>>>>> activity
>>>>>>>>>> that they not allow those questions. To me, the reasons ought to 
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>> obvious. If you alienate a significant number of individuals you
>>>>>>>>>> won't get
>>>>>>>>>> them to come back next year. If you knowingly allow questions to 
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> a part
>>>>>>>>>> of an activity which you know will exclude individuals from
>>>>>>>>>> participating
>>>>>>>>>> then you are wrong to include them. If for example I only provide
>>>>>>>>>> agenda's
>>>>>>>>>> in Braille to individuals who don't read Braille then I am wrong 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> do so,
>>>>>>>>>> because I have ignored their needs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bottom line, I'm feeling ignored. Next year, I think I'll find 
>>>>>>>>>> seven
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> individuals who can not make use of visual questions and attend 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> fundraiser and practice a bit of civil disobedience.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fred Olver
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <GWunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFB of Missouri Mailing List'" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Fred and the folks who have commented here. Please allow me 
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> interject
>>>>>>>>>>> another perspective. I find this troublesome philosophically. 
>>>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>>>> have access and am denied it because someone doesn't want to go 
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> trouble of making their software accessible, I'm up in arms. 
>>>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>> they use
>>>>>>>>>>> artificial barriers such as possessing a driver's license when 
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> mean is that an employee has to get around, I'm bothered. When 
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> say I
>>>>>>>>>>> have to be able to visually read print to take a job and I have 
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> machine
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> do it, I'm outraged.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How is the issue changed when we know of no way to make a 
>>>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>>>> 100
>>>>>>>>>>> percent accessible? I don't want to deprive anyone of the beauty
>>>>>>>>>>> found in
>>>>>>>>>>> paintings or photography simply because I can't observe them. I
>>>>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>>>>> there are some cartoons that are so torturous to explain that by
>>>>>>>>>>> the time
>>>>>>>>>>> one finishes putting them into words, they are no longer funny.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mental challenges may be audible, visual, or they might even
>>>>>>>>>>> involve other
>>>>>>>>>>> senses such as taste or smell. If we look hard enough, we'll 
>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> have problems with one or more of these. So, in the areas where 
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> have true alternatives, should our request be that the thing we
>>>>>>>>>>> cannot do
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> stricken from the activity? Would we have been wrong to run a 
>>>>>>>>>>> clip
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> Henry
>>>>>>>>>>> Kissinger saying "Piece is at hand," and asking the group to
>>>>>>>>>>> identify the
>>>>>>>>>>> man or what he was talking about or the year when he made the
>>>>>>>>>>> utterance?
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> blind are at something of a disadvantage because we cannot see 
>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> deaf
>>>>>>>>>>> are at a disadvantage because they cannot hear him. The young 
>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>> well be
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> a disadvantage because they weren't around when he made 
>>>>>>>>>>> headlines
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> statement, much to the displeasure of his boss, the president of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>>>>>> States. Take the same question, put it in print, and then decide 
>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>> fair to the dyslexic who might have an easy time with the audio 
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>>>>>> clip.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I Don't like being excluded, and if I am excluded enough, I'll 
>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>> activity. It hurts and seems unfair, but to me it doesn't rise 
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>>>>> of discrimination which, if I understand it, means something 
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> is both
>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonable and detrimental. I don't think we can be critical 
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> using sight and acknowledging that it plays a major role in the 
>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> find and even remember things. What we can and should make an
>>>>>>>>>>> unequivocal
>>>>>>>>>>> stand for are things which have nonvisual alternatives but which
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> ignored
>>>>>>>>>>> to the detriment of our education and employment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do not mean this as a real answer to the question of what 
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> I do,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> as a thought process we go through when trying to decide when to
>>>>>>>>>>> fight and
>>>>>>>>>>> what we can reasonably fight for as blind people. I am not
>>>>>>>>>>> targeting Fred
>>>>>>>>>>> here but trying to engage in some discussion of a philosophical
>>>>>>>>>>> principle
>>>>>>>>>>> that I wrestle with at least two or three times per month. I
>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> question, even if I don't have anything like a good answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of fred olver
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:45 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A year ago, I attended a Trivia Night put on by a food pantry in
>>>>>>>>>>> the St.
>>>>>>>>>>> Louis area. This pantry is supported by my church along with
>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>> After the night's program was over, half of the categories being
>>>>>>>>>>> visual in
>>>>>>>>>>> nature so that a blind person could not participate in that 
>>>>>>>>>>> portion
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> program I wrote an item for my churches news-letter and sent it 
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>> director of the organization. In this item I pointed out that it
>>>>>>>>>>> was not
>>>>>>>>>>> fair or necessary to include only video-type questions and asked
>>>>>>>>>>> that they
>>>>>>>>>>> do, in the future consider having categories which were 
>>>>>>>>>>> non-video
>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>> future. I received assurances from the director of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> organization
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> indeed they would do this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Last Friday, I attended their Trivia Nighht again. True, only 
>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>> categories
>>>>>>>>>>> of questions were video in nature, however these two categories
>>>>>>>>>>> included
>>>>>>>>>>> roughly 1/3 of the questions. Yesterday at a meeting of a church
>>>>>>>>>>> committee
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> suggested that they with-hold two weeks worth of donations and 
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>> donations go to another organization as a protest, the rest of 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> committee
>>>>>>>>>>> said no to this idea, sighting the possibility that a family 
>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>> do without this food, I personally doubt it, and figure they're
>>>>>>>>>>> just to
>>>>>>>>>>> comfortable in their place and don't wish to because it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>> so what would you do if you were in my place? This really upsets
>>>>>>>>>>> me,
>>>>>>>>>>> especially since I had spoken to this organization a year ago 
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> they had
>>>>>>>>>>> more or less agreed that this was not a good thing to have 
>>>>>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fred Olver
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com For some of us it's a way 
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> for some of us it just makes life easier. Fred Olver
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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