[Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
Ruby Polk
r.polk1 at sbcglobal.net
Sat Oct 29 21:54:39 UTC 2011
Oh Dewey,
I just connected your Post to the person who came to our Chapter Meeting.
Everyone really liked you and was talking to you. Your Post sound different
from meeting you in person. Please come to our November 19 Meeting at the
same place which was the Westport Library. We will be happy to see you
again.
Thanks, Ruby Polk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
> Well we have 2 garries, I spoked with your husband about the Springfield
> chapter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>
>
>> Hello , I would like for you to understand that I did not think you were
>> trashing God, your spirititual beliefs are your own. My take was that you
>> were thinking that the trivia night being discussed at a church was
>> purposely trying to be difficult for the blind, that is why I said you
>> were.
>>
>> As for the Springfield chapter, their low number and age is why we are
>> trying to help them to grow. They are good people and hard working, they
>> do not belong to another group. As for your private message to Gary, I
>> never saw it so do not know what you are referring to, but you do
>> continue to mention his name in a negative way on the list. He works hard
>> to try to keep things together in Springfield. Your help would always be
>> welcome, I do not know where you live in KC, but we have a wonderful
>> chapter made up of people of many different personalities. Shelia Wright
>> is their president and I know she would welcome membership.
>>
>> The name Missouri many canoes, and as both Gary Wunder and Jim Moynihan
>> have mentioned we need help in rowing those canoes. We help many blind
>> people who are members and non members alike, we are offering a paddle to
>> you. Will by our take i?
>>
>> My home phone is 573 874 1774, if you would like the number for some KC
>> folks, give me a call and I will help put you in touch.
>>
>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>>
>>
>>> Well I'll set the record streight on this
>>> I was a member, I joined the Denver chapter back in 97 when I was going
>>> through my training at the CCB
>>> I agree with the philosophy, that's why I am on these lists anyway.
>>> I have moved around between 4 states and havent really been able to get
>>> involved
>>> I was going to go to the Belleville Illinois chapter, I whent to 2
>>> meetings, but they never showed up at the library after they had the
>>> room booked, I don't remember what was going on with that, but that was
>>> in 2005
>>> I whent to some of the meetings in Springfield, but they have like 4 or
>>> 5 people, most people there are MCB members, they are mostley older
>>> people that trash the NFB and what it stands for, I don't because I
>>> agree like I said.
>>> If I stay in Kansas City I had pland to join the KC chapter, if they
>>> will have me, a co-worker talked me into going.
>>> I have had words with some of you, some of it has been me I guess, I
>>> don't word things very well, but you guys also jump all over me some
>>> times.
>>> I don't agree politically with most blind people, so some of you have
>>> talked trash about that, but my party has always been call nasty things
>>> like racest and all kinds of stuff, plus I had sent out a message that
>>> was ment only for 1 person in Springfield, Garry knows who that is, we
>>> talk.
>>> But it whent out to the who list, and I got jumped over that one.
>>> But I am never trying to argue with anyone, we all have the same goles
>>> But if everyone would like, then I will take my self off all the lists
>>> until I see if I am going to join, like I said If I stay in Kansas City,
>>> witch I should I guess, then I pland to join.
>>> I have also been invited to the Johnson county Kansas meetings in Kansas
>>> City Kansas, witch I plan to attend
>>> And so I'm sorry you folks thought I was trashing churches, I was not,
>>> all I was saying was I have never found one that I felt welcome in
>>> So if anyone here in KC that knows of one, then my mind is open
>>> and yes I believe in God, so don't think I don't
>>> Good day to you folks!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gail Bryant" <gbryant at socket.net>
>>> To: "'NFB of Missouri Mailing List'" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 1:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well nobody is perfect and we all can learn from one another. Everyone
>>>> on
>>>> this list has probably had similar experiences about being healed of
>>>> blindness. Sometimes we must realize that society has different
>>>> attitudes
>>>> than do we. Does that make either one of us bad or wrong? Of course
>>>> not.
>>>> Remember even the thief on the cross was forgiven, and nobody is
>>>> criticizing
>>>> him. Lighten up and try us. If you don't like us, then shake off the
>>>> dust
>>>> and move on. We need to remember that this organization helps people.
>>>> But
>>>> not everyone wants our help. And some don't think they need us. For me,
>>>> NFB
>>>> is like a big family. Sometimes we hug each other and sometimes we
>>>> need to
>>>> give each other a swift boot as a reality check. Either way, we love
>>>> each
>>>> other. I think I could contact any member in this organization and say
>>>> something like "Hey whomever I'm excited, or hurt, or whatever and
>>>> they'd
>>>> lend their support. By the same token, I've had my share of reality
>>>> checks
>>>> and swift kicks from this bunch and that's what helps us grow.
>>>>
>>>> Gail Bryant
>>>> Columbia Braille Teaching Services L.L.C.
>>>> 1212 London Drive
>>>> Columbia, MO 65203-2012
>>>> Phone: (573)817-5993
>>>> Cell: (573)268-4962
>>>> gbryant at socket.net
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Shelia Wright
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:54 AM
>>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: James Moynihan <jamesmmoynihan at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:59 AM
>>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>>>>
>>>> Dear Dewey:
>>>>
>>>> I have read your emails for a long time regarding NFB concerns. I
>>>> always
>>>> assumed you were a member until I was told that you were not a member
>>>> of
>>>> NFB. Debbie Wunder who is the president's wife invited you to attend a
>>>> meeting in Springfield and said she would like you to become a member.
>>>> This
>>>> was a friendly invitation to join.
>>>>
>>>> It seems to me that you are very familiar with NFB and where we stand.
>>>> I
>>>> agree with Debbie that you should go to the Springfield meeting and
>>>> become a
>>>> member . If you do not go to the meeting and you do not intend to
>>>> become
>>>> a member, in the future you should refrain from sending emails
>>>> commenting
>>>> on the NFB.
>>>>
>>>> Cordially,
>>>>
>>>> Jim Moynihan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:54 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: What would you do?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The thing is I wasn't being critical, I was just saying that I my self
>>>>> had
>>>>
>>>>> had bad experiences, and then everyone starts calling me angry and
>>>>> stuff.
>>>>> But I will say no more on this or anything else
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "James Moynihan" <jamesmmoynihan at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Nfbmo] Fw: What would you do?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Dewey et al:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary Wunder made an analogy between the NFB and a small canoe. We
>>>>>> have a
>>>>
>>>>>> small canoe and not enough paddlers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My advice to you is to get in or get out. I don't understand why you
>>>>>> read our emails and make critical comments if you are not a member.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> have to waste our time reading our critical comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I moved to Saint Louis I joined Mary Mother of the Churdch and I
>>>>>> participate in their activities. They have learned that it is a stick
>>>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>>> a cane and that blind people can participate intelligently in group
>>>>>> activities. Ignorance regarding blindness is rampant throughout our
>>>>>> society so it is inappropriate to dwell on church members. Cordially
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim MoynihanWe have a few
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:30 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nope, I don't think you will see me at anything
>>>>>>> have a good day
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:37 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dewey, we would love to have you as a member, if you choose not to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> then both you and the NFB are being short changed. It seems to me
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> you often dwell on the negative instead of the positive. Yes I have
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>
>>>>>>>> negative comments about the blind even from the church groups, But
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>
>>>>>>>> is ridiculous is the thought that a trivia game is made difficult
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> keep the blind away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We will have a meeting in Springfield the first Saturday in
>>>>>>>> November,
>>>>>>>> would you like to join us? We would like to have you. If you would
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>
>>>>>>>> more information please let me know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope to see you there!
>>>>>>>> Debbie
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:32 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A blind pastor said it, like I said, I don't know if the numbers
>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>that high, nore can they tell who goes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But thank you for calling me ridiculous, it really encourages
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> to join the groups and go to the chapter meetings.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:04 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are being ridiculous! Where do you get your facts?
>>>>>>>>>> This trivia night issue has nothing to do with god, or opinions
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the blind.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:39 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I wasn't going to reply to this, but I have to say this
>>>>>>>>>>> its been my experience that churches and church groups do this,
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> do not want anyone with a disability around, they just want to
>>>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>>> us that if we pray harder we will have are sight back, and that
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> are evil, that is why we are blind.
>>>>>>>>>>> They say that 95% of us don't go to church, I don't know if the
>>>>>>>>>>> numbers are that high, but this is why.
>>>>>>>>>>> Most people that go to church and call them selves Christians
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> judgmental like that.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying don't go to church, nor am I trying to get a
>>>>>>>>>>> lintch
>>>>>>>>>>> mob after me, I'm just saying that is what I've noticed, that is
>>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I never go, every church I have seen do not want blind people
>>>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying that is the case here, but it could be
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "MATTHEW SIEVERT" <msievert at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:33 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Group,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you are all well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What I have observed is that many times people will want to
>>>>>>>>>>> "rebel"
>>>>>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>>>>>> remedy a situation through other means.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Equality for all will not take place over a period of one year
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> even ten
>>>>>>>>>>> years, but you can lay the foundation that other's can build
>>>>>>>>>>> upon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Representing a group in a negative light will not win over
>>>>>>>>>>> supporters. It will
>>>>>>>>>>> bring attention to the issue, but you want people understand,
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> simply notice
>>>>>>>>>>> through a negative act.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some day we will have a blind/visually impaired astronaut. Until
>>>>>>>>>>> that time we as
>>>>>>>>>>> the NFB should do what we can to build upon our organization's
>>>>>>>>>>> achievements and
>>>>>>>>>>> represent our disabled community in a positive light.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Equality at trivia night's should be obtained, but like all
>>>>>>>>>>> challenges, it will
>>>>>>>>>>> take time and a calm intellect.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sievert
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> From: fred olver <goodfolks at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, October 26, 2011 7:41:12 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have read your comments several times and perhapse even lost
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> sleep
>>>>>>>>>>> over what I consider to be an afrontery to me and others who
>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>> wish to
>>>>>>>>>>> participate in an activity alongside individuals who are not
>>>>>>>>>>> limited
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> their vision.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me say first of all that a year ago I confronted this
>>>>>>>>>>> situation
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> explained to the individuals in charge that I felt wronged
>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>> half of
>>>>>>>>>>> the questions were undeciferable by myself. Okay, they didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> know I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> going to be there. This year, however nearly a third of the
>>>>>>>>>>> questions were
>>>>>>>>>>> again undeciferable by a blind person. It is my feeling that if
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> folks in
>>>>>>>>>>> charge know that individuals will be participating who are
>>>>>>>>>>> unable to
>>>>>>>>>>> participate in a significant number of questions related to the
>>>>>>>>>>> activity
>>>>>>>>>>> that they not allow those questions. To me, the reasons ought to
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>> obvious. If you alienate a significant number of individuals you
>>>>>>>>>>> won't get
>>>>>>>>>>> them to come back next year. If you knowingly allow questions to
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> a part
>>>>>>>>>>> of an activity which you know will exclude individuals from
>>>>>>>>>>> participating
>>>>>>>>>>> then you are wrong to include them. If for example I only
>>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>>> agenda's
>>>>>>>>>>> in Braille to individuals who don't read Braille then I am wrong
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> do so,
>>>>>>>>>>> because I have ignored their needs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bottom line, I'm feeling ignored. Next year, I think I'll find
>>>>>>>>>>> seven
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> individuals who can not make use of visual questions and attend
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> fundraiser and practice a bit of civil disobedience.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fred Olver
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <GWunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFB of Missouri Mailing List'" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Fred and the folks who have commented here. Please allow me
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> interject
>>>>>>>>>>>> another perspective. I find this troublesome philosophically.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>>>>> have access and am denied it because someone doesn't want to go
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble of making their software accessible, I'm up in arms.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>>> they use
>>>>>>>>>>>> artificial barriers such as possessing a driver's license when
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> mean is that an employee has to get around, I'm bothered. When
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> say I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have to be able to visually read print to take a job and I have
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do it, I'm outraged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How is the issue changed when we know of no way to make a
>>>>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>>>>> 100
>>>>>>>>>>>> percent accessible? I don't want to deprive anyone of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> beauty
>>>>>>>>>>>> found in
>>>>>>>>>>>> paintings or photography simply because I can't observe them. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>>>>>> there are some cartoons that are so torturous to explain that
>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>> the time
>>>>>>>>>>>> one finishes putting them into words, they are no longer funny.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mental challenges may be audible, visual, or they might even
>>>>>>>>>>>> involve other
>>>>>>>>>>>> senses such as taste or smell. If we look hard enough, we'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>> have problems with one or more of these. So, in the areas where
>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> have true alternatives, should our request be that the thing we
>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot do
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> stricken from the activity? Would we have been wrong to run a
>>>>>>>>>>>> clip
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Henry
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kissinger saying "Piece is at hand," and asking the group to
>>>>>>>>>>>> identify the
>>>>>>>>>>>> man or what he was talking about or the year when he made the
>>>>>>>>>>>> utterance?
>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind are at something of a disadvantage because we cannot see
>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>> deaf
>>>>>>>>>>>> are at a disadvantage because they cannot hear him. The young
>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>> well be
>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> a disadvantage because they weren't around when he made
>>>>>>>>>>>> headlines
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> statement, much to the displeasure of his boss, the president
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>>>>>>> States. Take the same question, put it in print, and then
>>>>>>>>>>>> decide if
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> fair to the dyslexic who might have an easy time with the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>>>>>>> clip.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I Don't like being excluded, and if I am excluded enough, I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>> activity. It hurts and seems unfair, but to me it doesn't rise
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>>>>>> of discrimination which, if I understand it, means something
>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> is both
>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonable and detrimental. I don't think we can be critical
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> using sight and acknowledging that it plays a major role in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> find and even remember things. What we can and should make an
>>>>>>>>>>>> unequivocal
>>>>>>>>>>>> stand for are things which have nonvisual alternatives but
>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the detriment of our education and employment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not mean this as a real answer to the question of what
>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> as a thought process we go through when trying to decide when
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> fight and
>>>>>>>>>>>> what we can reasonably fight for as blind people. I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>> targeting Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>> here but trying to engage in some discussion of a philosophical
>>>>>>>>>>>> principle
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I wrestle with at least two or three times per month. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> question, even if I don't have anything like a good answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of fred olver
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:45 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A year ago, I attended a Trivia Night put on by a food pantry
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the St.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Louis area. This pantry is supported by my church along with
>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>>> After the night's program was over, half of the categories
>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>> visual in
>>>>>>>>>>>> nature so that a blind person could not participate in that
>>>>>>>>>>>> portion
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> program I wrote an item for my churches news-letter and sent it
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> director of the organization. In this item I pointed out that
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> was not
>>>>>>>>>>>> fair or necessary to include only video-type questions and
>>>>>>>>>>>> asked
>>>>>>>>>>>> that they
>>>>>>>>>>>> do, in the future consider having categories which were
>>>>>>>>>>>> non-video
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> future. I received assurances from the director of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> organization
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed they would do this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Last Friday, I attended their Trivia Nighht again. True, only
>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>> categories
>>>>>>>>>>>> of questions were video in nature, however these two categories
>>>>>>>>>>>> included
>>>>>>>>>>>> roughly 1/3 of the questions. Yesterday at a meeting of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> church
>>>>>>>>>>>> committee
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested that they with-hold two weeks worth of donations and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>> donations go to another organization as a protest, the rest of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> committee
>>>>>>>>>>>> said no to this idea, sighting the possibility that a family
>>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do without this food, I personally doubt it, and figure they're
>>>>>>>>>>>> just to
>>>>>>>>>>>> comfortable in their place and don't wish to because it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>> so what would you do if you were in my place? This really
>>>>>>>>>>>> upsets
>>>>>>>>>>>> me,
>>>>>>>>>>>> especially since I had spoken to this organization a year ago
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> they had
>>>>>>>>>>>> more or less agreed that this was not a good thing to have
>>>>>>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fred Olver
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com For some of us it's a way
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> for some of us it just makes life easier. Fred Olver
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