[Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?

Dewey Bradley dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com
Sat Oct 29 23:58:46 UTC 2011


thank you
I will be there
by the way Willa talked me into going to coming to this months meeting
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ruby Polk" <r.polk1 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?


> Oh Dewey,
>
> I just connected your Post to the person who came to our Chapter Meeting. 
> Everyone really liked you and was talking to you. Your Post sound 
> different from meeting you in person. Please come to our November 19 
> Meeting at the same place which was the Westport Library. We will be happy 
> to see you again.
>
> Thanks, Ruby Polk
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>
>
>> Well we have 2 garries, I spoked with your husband about the Springfield 
>> chapter
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 9:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>>
>>
>>> Hello , I would like for you to understand that I did not think you were 
>>> trashing God, your spirititual beliefs are your own. My take was that 
>>> you were thinking that the trivia night being discussed at a church was 
>>> purposely trying to be difficult for the blind, that is why I said you 
>>> were.
>>>
>>> As for the Springfield chapter, their low number and age is why we are 
>>> trying to help them to grow. They are good people and hard working, they 
>>> do not belong to another group. As for your private message to Gary, I 
>>> never saw it so do not know what you are referring to, but you do 
>>> continue to mention his name in a negative way on the list. He works 
>>> hard to try to keep things together in Springfield. Your help would 
>>> always be welcome, I do not know where you live in KC, but we have a 
>>> wonderful chapter made up of people of many different personalities. 
>>> Shelia Wright is their president and I know she would welcome 
>>> membership.
>>>
>>> The name Missouri many canoes, and as both Gary Wunder  and Jim Moynihan 
>>> have mentioned we need help in rowing those canoes. We help many blind 
>>> people who are members and non members alike, we are offering a paddle 
>>> to you. Will by our take i?
>>>
>>> My  home phone is 573 874 1774, if you would like the number for some KC 
>>> folks, give me a call and I will help put you in touch.
>>>
>>> Debbie
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well I'll set the record streight on this
>>>> I was a member, I joined the Denver chapter back in 97 when I was going 
>>>> through my training at the CCB
>>>> I agree with the philosophy, that's why I am on these lists anyway.
>>>> I have moved around between 4 states and havent really been able to get 
>>>> involved
>>>> I was going to go to the Belleville Illinois chapter, I whent to 2 
>>>> meetings, but they never showed up at the library after they had the 
>>>> room booked, I don't remember what was going on with that, but that was 
>>>> in 2005
>>>> I whent to some of the meetings in Springfield, but they have like 4 or 
>>>> 5 people, most people there are MCB members, they are mostley older 
>>>> people that trash the NFB and what it stands for, I don't because I 
>>>> agree like I said.
>>>> If I stay in Kansas City I had pland to join the KC chapter, if they 
>>>> will have me, a co-worker talked me into going.
>>>> I have had words with some of you, some of it has been me I guess, I 
>>>> don't word things very well, but you guys also jump all over me some 
>>>> times.
>>>> I don't agree politically with most blind people, so some of you have 
>>>> talked trash about that, but my party has always been call nasty things 
>>>> like racest and all kinds of stuff, plus I had sent out a message that 
>>>> was ment only for 1 person in Springfield, Garry knows who that is, we 
>>>> talk.
>>>> But it whent out to the who list, and I got jumped over that one.
>>>> But I am never trying to argue with anyone, we all have the same goles
>>>> But if everyone would like, then I will take my self off all the lists 
>>>> until I see if I am going to join, like I said If I stay in Kansas 
>>>> City, witch I should I guess, then I pland to join.
>>>> I have also been invited to the Johnson county Kansas meetings in 
>>>> Kansas City Kansas, witch I plan to attend
>>>> And so I'm sorry you folks thought I was trashing churches, I was not, 
>>>> all I was saying was I have never found one that I felt welcome in
>>>> So if anyone here in KC that knows of one, then my mind is open
>>>> and yes I believe in God, so don't think I don't
>>>> Good day to you folks!
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Gail Bryant" <gbryant at socket.net>
>>>> To: "'NFB of Missouri Mailing List'" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 1:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well nobody is perfect and we all can learn from one another. Everyone 
>>>>> on
>>>>> this list has probably had similar experiences about being healed of
>>>>> blindness.  Sometimes we must realize that society has different 
>>>>> attitudes
>>>>> than do we.  Does that make either one of us bad or wrong? Of course 
>>>>> not.
>>>>> Remember even the thief on the cross was forgiven, and nobody is 
>>>>> criticizing
>>>>> him.  Lighten up and try us.  If you don't like us, then shake off the 
>>>>> dust
>>>>> and move on. We need to  remember that this organization helps people. 
>>>>> But
>>>>> not everyone wants our help. And some don't think they need us. For 
>>>>> me, NFB
>>>>> is like a big family.  Sometimes we hug each other and sometimes we 
>>>>> need to
>>>>> give each other a swift boot as a reality check.  Either way, we love 
>>>>> each
>>>>> other. I think I could contact any member in this organization and say
>>>>> something like "Hey whomever I'm excited, or hurt, or whatever and 
>>>>> they'd
>>>>> lend their support. By the same token, I've had my share of reality 
>>>>> checks
>>>>> and swift kicks from this bunch and that's what helps us grow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gail Bryant
>>>>> Columbia Braille Teaching Services L.L.C.
>>>>> 1212 London Drive
>>>>> Columbia, MO 65203-2012
>>>>> Phone: (573)817-5993
>>>>> Cell: (573)268-4962
>>>>> gbryant at socket.net
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Shelia Wright
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:54 AM
>>>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: Fw: What would you do?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: James Moynihan <jamesmmoynihan at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:59 AM
>>>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Nfbmo] Fw:  Fw:  What would you do?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Dewey:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have read your emails for a long time  regarding NFB concerns.  I 
>>>>> always
>>>>> assumed you were a member until I was told that you were not a member 
>>>>> of
>>>>> NFB.  Debbie Wunder who is the president's wife invited you to attend 
>>>>> a
>>>>> meeting in Springfield and said she would like you to become a member. 
>>>>> This
>>>>> was a friendly invitation to join.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to me that you are very familiar with NFB and where we stand. 
>>>>> I
>>>>> agree with Debbie that you should go to the Springfield meeting and 
>>>>> become a
>>>>> member  .  If you do not go to the meeting  and you do not intend to 
>>>>> become
>>>>> a member, in  the future you should refrain from sending emails 
>>>>> commenting
>>>>> on the NFB.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Moynihan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:54 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: What would you do?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The thing is I wasn't being critical, I was just saying that I my 
>>>>>> self had
>>>>>
>>>>>> had bad experiences, and then everyone starts calling me angry and 
>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>> But I will say no more on this or anything else
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "James Moynihan" <jamesmmoynihan at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:10 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Nfbmo] Fw: What would you do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Dewey et al:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary Wunder made an analogy between the NFB and a small canoe.  We 
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>
>>>>>>> small canoe and not enough paddlers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My advice to you is to get in or get out.  I don't understand why 
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> read our emails and make critical comments if you are not a member. 
>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>> have to waste our time reading our critical comments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I moved to Saint Louis I joined Mary Mother of the Churdch and 
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> participate in their activities. They have learned that it is a 
>>>>>>> stick not
>>>>>
>>>>>>> a cane and that blind people can participate intelligently in group
>>>>>>> activities.  Ignorance regarding blindness is rampant throughout our
>>>>>>> society so it is inappropriate to dwell on church members. 
>>>>>>> Cordially
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim MoynihanWe have a few
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:30 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> nope, I don't think you will see me at anything
>>>>>>>> have a good day
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:37 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dewey, we would love to have you as a member, if you choose not to 
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> then both you and the NFB are being short changed. It seems to me 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> you often dwell on the negative instead of the positive. Yes I 
>>>>>>>>> have her
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> negative comments about the blind even from the church groups, But 
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is ridiculous is the thought that a trivia game is made difficult 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> keep the blind away.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We will have a meeting in Springfield the first Saturday in 
>>>>>>>>> November,
>>>>>>>>> would you like to join us? We would like to have you. If you would 
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> more information please let me know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope to see you there!
>>>>>>>>> Debbie
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:32 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>A blind pastor said it, like I said, I don't know if the numbers 
>>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>that high, nore can they tell who goes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But thank you for calling me ridiculous, it really encourages 
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> to join the groups and go to the chapter meetings.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:04 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You are being ridiculous! Where do you get your facts?
>>>>>>>>>>> This trivia night issue has nothing to do with god, or opinions 
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the blind.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:39 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I wasn't going to reply to this, but I have to say this
>>>>>>>>>>>> its been my experience that churches and church groups do this, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> do not want anyone with a disability around, they just want to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>>>> us that if we pray harder we will have are sight back, and that 
>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> are evil, that is why we are blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They say that 95% of us don't go to church, I don't know if the
>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers are that high, but this is why.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people that go to church and call them selves Christians 
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> judgmental like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying don't go to church, nor am I trying to get a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> lintch
>>>>>>>>>>>> mob after me, I'm just saying that is what I've noticed, that 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is why
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I never go, every church I have seen do not want blind people
>>>>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying that is the case here, but it could be
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "MATTHEW SIEVERT" <msievert at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:33 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Group,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you are all well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What I have observed is that many times people will want to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "rebel"
>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>>>>>>> remedy a situation through other means.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Equality for all will not take place over a period of one year 
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> even ten
>>>>>>>>>>>> years, but you can lay the foundation that other's can build 
>>>>>>>>>>>> upon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Representing a group in a negative light will not win over
>>>>>>>>>>>> supporters. It will
>>>>>>>>>>>> bring attention to the issue, but you want people understand, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> simply notice
>>>>>>>>>>>> through a negative act.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some day we will have a blind/visually impaired astronaut. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Until
>>>>>>>>>>>> that time we as
>>>>>>>>>>>> the NFB should do what we can to build upon our organization's
>>>>>>>>>>>> achievements and
>>>>>>>>>>>> represent our disabled community in a positive light.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Equality at trivia night's should be obtained, but like all
>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges, it will
>>>>>>>>>>>> take time and a calm intellect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sievert
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: fred olver <goodfolks at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, October 26, 2011 7:41:12 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have read your comments several times and perhapse even lost 
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> sleep
>>>>>>>>>>>> over what I consider to be an afrontery to me and others who 
>>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>> wish to
>>>>>>>>>>>> participate in an activity alongside individuals who are not 
>>>>>>>>>>>> limited
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> their vision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me say first of all that a year ago I confronted this 
>>>>>>>>>>>> situation
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> explained to the individuals in charge that I felt wronged 
>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>> half of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the questions were undeciferable by myself. Okay, they didn't 
>>>>>>>>>>>> know I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> going to be there. This year, however nearly a third of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> questions were
>>>>>>>>>>>> again undeciferable by a blind person. It is my feeling that if 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> folks in
>>>>>>>>>>>> charge know that individuals will be participating who are 
>>>>>>>>>>>> unable to
>>>>>>>>>>>> participate in a significant number of questions related to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> activity
>>>>>>>>>>>> that they not allow those questions. To me, the reasons ought 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>> obvious. If you alienate a significant number of individuals 
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> won't get
>>>>>>>>>>>> them to come back next year. If you knowingly allow questions 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> a part
>>>>>>>>>>>> of an activity which you know will exclude individuals from
>>>>>>>>>>>> participating
>>>>>>>>>>>> then you are wrong to include them. If for example I only 
>>>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>>>> agenda's
>>>>>>>>>>>> in Braille to individuals who don't read Braille then I am 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do so,
>>>>>>>>>>>> because I have ignored their needs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bottom line, I'm feeling ignored. Next year, I think I'll find 
>>>>>>>>>>>> seven
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals who can not make use of visual questions and attend 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>> fundraiser and practice a bit of civil disobedience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fred Olver
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <GWunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFB of Missouri Mailing List'" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Fred and the folks who have commented here. Please allow me 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interject
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another perspective. I find this troublesome philosophically. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have access and am denied it because someone doesn't want to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble of making their software accessible, I'm up in arms. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> artificial barriers such as possessing a driver's license when 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean is that an employee has to get around, I'm bothered. When 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to be able to visually read print to take a job and I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it, I'm outraged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is the issue changed when we know of no way to make a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100
>>>>>>>>>>>>> percent accessible? I don't want to deprive anyone of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beauty
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paintings or photography simply because I can't observe them. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are some cartoons that are so torturous to explain that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one finishes putting them into words, they are no longer 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> funny.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mental challenges may be audible, visual, or they might even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> involve other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> senses such as taste or smell. If we look hard enough, we'll 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have problems with one or more of these. So, in the areas 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have true alternatives, should our request be that the thing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stricken from the activity? Would we have been wrong to run a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clip
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henry
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kissinger saying "Piece is at hand," and asking the group to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> identify the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> man or what he was talking about or the year when he made the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> utterance?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind are at something of a disadvantage because we cannot see 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deaf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are at a disadvantage because they cannot hear him. The young 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a disadvantage because they weren't around when he made 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> headlines
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement, much to the displeasure of his boss, the president 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. Take the same question, put it in print, and then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide if
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fair to the dyslexic who might have an easy time with the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clip.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I Don't like being excluded, and if I am excluded enough, I'll 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>> activity. It hurts and seems unfair, but to me it doesn't rise 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of discrimination which, if I understand it, means something 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is both
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonable and detrimental. I don't think we can be critical 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using sight and acknowledging that it plays a major role in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find and even remember things. What we can and should make an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unequivocal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stand for are things which have nonvisual alternatives but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the detriment of our education and employment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not mean this as a real answer to the question of what 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a thought process we go through when trying to decide when 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fight and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we can reasonably fight for as blind people. I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> targeting Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here but trying to engage in some discussion of a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical
>>>>>>>>>>>>> principle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I wrestle with at least two or three times per month. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> question, even if I don't have anything like a good answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of fred olver
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:45 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Nfbmo] What would you do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A year ago, I attended a Trivia Night put on by a food pantry 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the St.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Louis area. This pantry is supported by my church along with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After the night's program was over, half of the categories 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> visual in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nature so that a blind person could not participate in that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> portion
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> program I wrote an item for my churches news-letter and sent 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> director of the organization. In this item I pointed out that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fair or necessary to include only video-type questions and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do, in the future consider having categories which were 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-video
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> future. I received assurances from the director of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed they would do this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last Friday, I attended their Trivia Nighht again. True, only 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of questions were video in nature, however these two 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories
>>>>>>>>>>>>> included
>>>>>>>>>>>>> roughly 1/3 of the questions. Yesterday at a meeting of a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> church
>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested that they with-hold two weeks worth of donations and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> donations go to another organization as a protest, the rest of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> said no to this idea, sighting the possibility that a family 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do without this food, I personally doubt it, and figure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comfortable in their place and don't wish to because it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so what would you do if you were in my place? This really 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> upsets
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially since I had spoken to this organization a year ago 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more or less agreed that this was not a good thing to have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fred Olver
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com For some of us it's a way 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for some of us it just makes life easier. Fred Olver
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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