[Nfbmo] Fw: A little long, but a good thing to read.

DanFlasar at aol.com DanFlasar at aol.com
Wed May 23 15:03:59 UTC 2012

    Of course you're right - some rural areas didn't get  electricity and 
indoor plumbing until the 60s.  But the intent of the  original post, though 
quaint and nostalgic, was inaccurate for most  people.   The post WWII era 
was a real boom-time as the returning  servicemen and women came back, 
married, began to build homes,, buy all the new  gadgets and in genreal, set the 
tone for our then-emerging consumer  culture.
       For a more extended depiction of  accelerated technological change, 
if you like long books, try Thomas Man's "The  Magic Mountain", available 
fromo Wolfner.  It's set in the years just prior  to WWI.  It describes the 
effects the new technologies of electricity,  flight, sound recording and 
playback, x-rays, and all the other amazing  developments that were changing the 
world, and war at the time.
     But it's not a nostalgic look.
In a message dated 5/23/2012 8:25:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
johnsusanford at earthlink.net writes:

I  found both your comments and the original nostalgic and enjoyable.  I  
to say it, but some of this depends on where you lived.  I was  born in 
and I remember iceboxes.  Ice was delivered to your  house or you picked it 
up at the icehouse in town.  We never had a  clothes dryer until after I 
graduated from high school, which was in 1963.  Anyone who takes their 
clothes to a laundromat does some clothes-hanging  to this day.  It is 
cheaper and easier than carrying it all  home.  Perhaps it is important to 
make young people understand what  things used to be like, but Jim's story, 
though interesting did not tell  the whole story.

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Sent: Tuesday,  May 22, 2012 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: A little long, but a good  thing to read.

> This post claims that the grandmother was born  in  1952 and then goes
> through a list of things she didn't grow  up with.    It's just not true.
>    I've seen this  go around so many times that I can't  really let it go
> another  time without clarifying it:
> television     television was invented in 1938 and made  significant 
>  inroads
> into homes in the early 1950s.
> penicillin 'discovered'  in  1928, it was purified and released in 1940 - 
> in
>  common use in WWII
> polio  shots   Bogus - the early 50s  were when polio shots were 
> introduced.
> frozen  foods   mostly  true
> Xerox     True,  though the electorstatic process was  known much earlier,
> but not  in general use
> contact lenses     There were glass  contacts available but they were
> expensive and painful -   true
> Frisbees    ...  ever heard of a   discus?
> the pill        True, not till the   60s though there were trials in the 
> 50s
> credit   cards      Diner's Card was introduced in the mid-50s,  as  were
> department store cards
> laser beams or ...    true -  lasers were discovered in the early 60s
> ball-point   pens      Wrong - they were in use by the RAF in 1941  and  
> went
> on sale in 1945/  O ised the,om the 50s - they were  given out as
> advetising gimmicks
> Man had not yet   invented:
> pantyhose         likely   true
> air conditioners     wrong - invented much  earlier  but not in common use
> till the 50s in stores and homes  much  later
> dishwashers   wrong again  they were  available in  modern kitchens in the
> 50s
> clothes  dryers    wrong again -  they were available in the 50s
>  and the clothes were hung out to dry in the  fresh air and   -  some 
> do
> man hadn't yet walked on the   moon.   true  first moonwalk in 1969/
> Your  Grandfather and  I got married first, and then lived together.
>  undoubtedely true
> Every  family had a father and a mother.   except for those whose  father
> died in the war or the  divorcees
> We were before  gay-rights,   Yes - it was  perfectly okay to beat
> homosexuals up for any reason
>  computer-dating,   True
> dual careers, ...   uh...  ask Rosie the Riveter - a  lot of women never
> went back to the  home after WWII
> daycare centers,    true
> and   group therapy.   No idea
> Our lives were governed by the  Ten  Commandments, - as long as you were a
> Christian and/or  believed in  God.  Plenty of atheists, agnostics as 
>  as
> Buddhist, Taoists,  Confusionists, Shintoists, Hindus and  Muslims, not to
> mention Mormons. But no   Scientologists!
> good judgment,   ...  hopefully
> and common  sense.   ... as long as  you  agreed with the conventional
> wisdom.
> We were taught to  know the difference between right and  wrong  ...  as
>  people still are
> and to stand up and take responsibility for  our actions ... except  for
> owning up to lynching,m segregation,  spousal abuse and smearing the
> reputations of trade unionists during  the anti-American hearings.
> Serving your country was a  privilege; living in this country was a bigger
> privilege.  True  then, true now
> Draft dodgers were those who closed  front  doors as the evening breeze
> started.   - completely untrue  -  term had been in use since the civil 
> war.  And
>  there indeed were  conscientious objectors on religious and moral  
> throughout WWI and  WWII   - Quakers and 7th  Day Adventists as well as
> pacifists.
>  condominiums.   Probably right - the idea still sounds   bizarre
> We never heard of FM radios, tape decks,  CD's,   true
> electric typewriters  ... nope, they began  to emerge in the  later 50s
> yogurt,   ... unless you  went to those strange and rare 'health  food'
> stores
> or  guys wearing earrings.   - just pirates
> We listened to  Big  Bands, Jack Benny  ... sorry this whole thing is 
>  10 years out of  date.  Jack Benny left the radio in the late 40s,  
> Big Bands are  still around.
> and the  President's speeches on our radios... These began to be  carried
>  on TV in the early 50s - they are still carried on radio
> And I  don't  ever remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to
>  Tommy Dorsey...
>    Lawrence Welk or Mantovani,  perhaps....
> If  you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it  was junk.  True till
> the  70s - at least for cars
>  The term 'making out' referred to how you did on your  school  exam.   -
> nope it's an old term traceable to the 20s
>  Pizza  Hut,   ... true
> McDonald's,    First  McDonald's were in CA in the  mid=50s.  They were
> common by  1958
> and instant coffee were unheard of.  Nope - instant coffee  was a  WWII
> spin-off
> We had 5 &10-cent stores where  you could actually buy  things for 5 and 
> cents   -  true, and I miss them!
> nickel  Ice-cream cones,   True
> nickel phone calls,    True, but not for long
>  rides on a streetcar,   Streetcars had disappeared from most   cities by
> 1958 - buses took over at the same time as the rise of car  ownership  in 
> the
> early 50s
> and a Pepsi were all  a nickel.   true
> And if you didn't  want to splurge,  you could spend your nickel on enough
> stamps to mail 1 letter   and 2  postcards. - true, but email was *really*
>  expensive!
> You  could buy a new Ford Coupe for $600, but who  could afford one? 
> Okay,
> this is something out of the  40s!   Very out of date for the  50s
> Too bad, because  gas was 11 cents a gallon. - Actually, I saw it  cheaper
> in the  60s but true
> In my day:
> "grass" was mowed, - still   is
> "coke" was a cold drink,  - still is
> "pot" was  something your  mother cooked in and  - still is
> "rock  music" was your grandmother's  lullaby.   - Nope.  Rock  music
> originated from the blues and  moved into white popular  music in the 
> 50s -
> see Carl Perkins and  Elvis  Presley
> "Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, - Yep -  AIDS  didn't show 
> up
> until the mid '80s
> "chip"  meant a piece of wood or ice that  the ice man brought, l-  
> Icemen had disappeared in the30s!
> "hardware"  was found in a hardware store and.   - still  is
>  "software" wasn't even a word.     true
> And we   were the last generation to actually believe that a lady needed a
>  husband to  have a baby...
> um...... she didn't actually need to  have a *husband* then either..
> How old do you think  she is?   Given the numerous anachronisms in  this
>  post, she would have to have been born in the late 30s.   This   whole 
> thing is
> about 15 years out of date.  And I think  I read it 20 years  ago and the
> lady was born in  1935
> I bet you have this old lady in mind. You are in  for a  shock!    Nope
> to see -- pretty scary if you  think about it and pretty sad at the same
> time.
> Scary no, sad,  depends on how you remember the  50s.
> This woman  would be only 59 years old, Born in 1952.
> THE YOUNG  ONES WON'T BELIEVE IT     - I'm 62 and I  don't buy it  either.
> I get that this is intended to  exhibit  how the culture has changed, for
> the better and the  worse in so many ways, but  it doesn't ring true for 
>  lot
> of people..   Human nature hasn't  changed at  all.
>    And, aside from the anachronisms in the above list,  it  may very well
> be true that this sweet young lady (I'm still  older, damn it!) did  see 
> the
> world that way, then she  was blessed.  And I guess I saw the world  that 
> way
>  too.  Things change - but as always we depended on each other then   and 
> still do.
>      And someday, our  grandkids will send  telepathic iMails about how
> they grew up  before you could get 3D TV in the home,  that you could get 
>  music
> from something called the web, there were only two   policial parties in 
> the
> US and there used to be something  called winter, and  people only had one
> flying car per  home.
> Dan
> Dan
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