[Nfbmo] Fw: OldHat iPhone Guide, was RE: new to iphone

Sun Apr 7 23:12:25 UTC 2013

Gary, you haven't talked with me in years. Rather than attempt to speak to 
issues you and I seem to have on list, why don't you attempt to contact me 
in person. I have done so in the past, to no avail. Asking why we have 
dog-guide seminars is as valid as asking why the iPhone is a step forward, 
the only thing is that the people who don't seem to think it is an important 
development appear to be in the majority when in fact individuals who 
perceive it to be should be in the majority, or shown that it is important 
and why. My perception is that because you, personally, and others in this 
affiliate don't like the stands I take on certain issues, cause me not to be 
included when I may have more knowledge than anyone in the affiliate 
especially on this topic. It was much the same when I was a true 
Rehabilitation Teacher in the state of Missouri. So, I don't like the issues 
some of you feel to be more important than they really are to me, so take 
them on, you say this is an open list for discussion, however it truly 
appears when someone takes issue with something that is presented they are 
penalized for it. I thought we were all in this together, are we all 
supposed to march in-step, to accept what we are given and say well, it's 
important because so-and-so says it is? One of the freedoms in this country 
is the respect that we are each supposed to be given whether we agree or 
not, isn't that true? It doesn't seem to be so in this affiliate, anyway.

And so the affiliate suffers for it, because I have probably spent hundreds 
of hours researching app's that work and those that do not. I have probably 
over 200 apps on my phone yet you, as President of the affiliate and others 
who's names I have never seen post on a list, probably the largest list of 
iPhone users set up for blind users are conducting a 30-minute preview of 
the iPhone to folks who may not be interested at all accept for those who 
see it as a roadblock rather than an  open road to the future. You see, it's 
all in how you present it, and I'm betting that wrong if not out-dated 
information will be presented, that information will be lacking because of a 
lack of understanding  by those who are part of the presentation thusly the 
presentation will not be one that looks forward, rather one which is set up 
to defend rather than present a forward-looking knowledge-base to the 
iPhone.

I have given much thought to trying to off-set the bent of your presentation 
by offering just some of the knowledge I possess preceeding your 
presentation, however I will not, because if you wanted my input you would 
have asked for it, months ago. So do your presentation I hope it works for 
you and I'll continue to move forward in my knowledge of the iPhone and 
share it with those who are truly interested rather than those who hold it 
against me for questioning the validity of certain under-takings which I may 
have disagreements about their validity but then, because others don't see 
the importance of the iPhone is why you are not giving it much time on your 
agenda or why the affiliate didn't follow up on development of a seminar on 
the i-devices which, all, by the way present opportunities for the use of 
speech, the iPad, the iPod the iPhone the mini-iPad and Macintosh computers.

Fred Olver

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
To: "'NFB of Missouri Mailing List'" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: OldHat iPhone Guide, was RE: new to iphone

> Hi, Fred. I think it may be a bit unfair here to presume that folks on 
> this
> list try to discredit your postings. Sometimes people have questions;
> sometimes they have comments. You offer as good as you get when you write 
> to
> wonder why we would host a dog guide seminar--a thing that dampened the
> morale of those who worked so hard to organize it and caused them to ask
> whether the NFB was a friendly place for dog guide handlers. I don't think
> for a minute this was your intent, but absent the tone we get from 
> telephone
> and in-person communication, it is all too easy to misunderstand.
>
> This is a list to help, to befriend, and to share.
>
> Many of you know Eileen and Millie Rivera, both active Federationists and
> both winners of a national scholarship. Please keep them in your prayers.
> Yesterday they and their brothers and sisters lost their mom. She and her
> devoted husband Edwin live in Puerto Rico. Margie was visiting here with
> friends when she had a stroke. Margie has long cared for their youngest
> daughter, Suzanne, an angel in the eyes of Edwin and Margie. Suzanne is an
> adult with no ability to care for herself at even the most basic level.
> Edwin and his family will need our prayers, both to get over Margie's
> passing, and to help the family care for their always loving baby sister.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbmo [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Fred Olver
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 1:29 PM
> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: OldHat iPhone Guide, was RE: new to iphone
>
> David, and others who wish to discredit me and my postings!!!
>
> If you had taken time to read the entire post, you would have found a link
> to the website where the book can be found. You would have also found a
> phone number to the organization as well. Before you attempt to discount
> what someone is trying to say, make sure you are right.
>
> http://www.fedoraoutlier.com
>
> 888-958-6979 ext.3801
>
> Fred olver
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: OldHat iPhone Guide, was RE: new to iphone
>
>
>> That isn't clear -- and where is it from?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 06:47 AM 4/7/2013, you wrote:
>>>David, the title of the book is in the Subjectline of the forwarded line.
>>>
>>>Fred
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 3:01 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: OldHat iPhone Guide, was RE: new to iphone
>>>
>>>
>>>Fred, this message isn't very useful, it doesn't
>>>give the book name, or where you can get it -- only the author buried 
>>>half
>
>>>way through the message.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>At 09:02 PM 4/6/2013, you wrote:
>>>>I am forwarding this to the list because I believe it is an important
>>>>resource for those of you who might at some time consider getting an
>>>>iPhone.
>>>>
>>>>Also I am including a link to a Visually Impaired iPhone users group
>>>>which has over 1,300 subscribers and which I have never seen a post from
>>>>any of the presenters on the subject of the Iphone which is to take 
>>>>place
>
>>>>next weekend at the NFBMO state convention. It doesn't mean they aren't
>>>>members, just that they have never posted to the group. Hard to believe
>>>>that if they were that they wouldn't have at some time had one question
>>>>about using the iPhone or some of the apps unless, of course they were
>>>>all-knowing. Anyway, here's the link to the subscribe page.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.groups.google.com/group/viphone/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Besides the below book which is just coming out there is another 
>>>>entitled
>
>>>>getting Started with the iPhone which is in it's second edition,
>>>>available from the National Braille Press,  http://www.nbp.org
>>>>
>>>>Check on their site for availability in several different formats.
>>>>
>>>>Fred
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: Marcy Weinberg
>>>>To: viphone at googlegroups.com
>>>>Cc: viphone at googlegroups.com
>>>>Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 8:45 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: OldHat iPhone Guide, was RE: new to iphone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The book is a 12-step guide to using your iPhone.  It is written from 
>>>>the
>
>>>>standpoint of one of our team members, Brie rumory, who was scared to
>>>>death of the iPhone her husband got her for Christmas over a year ago, 
>>>>to
>
>>>>finally deciding it was time to learn to use it.  The book goes through
>>>>all of the settings as well as the default apps that come on the phone,
>>>>as well as accessibility, text input and management, Siri, the itunes 
>>>>and
>
>>>>App stores, and whatever else you'll need to know to be up and running
>>>>with your iPhone.  It is a great resource also even if you've been using
>>>>your phone for awhile, as a reference for those things you may have done
>>>>but have forgotten how to do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is written with some humor while providing so much information.  It 
>>>>is
>
>>>>comprehensive yet not boring at any moment.  I believe it is a must have
>>>>in the library of anyone who has, is considering getting, or works with
>>>>anyone who has an iPhone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Marcy weinberg
>>>>Junior Partner
>>>>Fedora Outlier, LLC
>>>>Top down, BETTER THAN EXCELLENT T consulting, teaching and support
>>>>http://www.fedoraoutlier.com
>>>>888-958-6979 ext.3801
>>>>Marcy at fedoraoutlier.com
>>
>>
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