[Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
James Moynihan
jamesmmoynihan at gmail.com
Wed Feb 20 14:42:10 UTC 2013
Gene
We have beaten the subject of the bus saga in to the ground There is
nothing more to say about this matter. . One of the emailers is from a
person who lives in Oklahoma not Missouri. Another emailer is from a man
who lives in Michigan who says he is not a member of NFB. We are all in
favor of buses that run on schedule and a ccessible paratransit.
Cordially,
Jim Moynihan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Coulter" <escoulter at centurytel.net>
To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
> Please take political views off the list. Just a friendly request from a
> friendly user.
>
>
> From: James Moynihan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:10 PM
> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>
> Dan
>
> Obamacare is burdening us with unsustainable debt.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DanFlasar at aol.com>
> To: <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>
>
>> Jim,
>> Nope. You're wrong. Free market capitalism is no more viable than
>> communism. A mixed system preserves a reasonable protection for
>> initiative,
>> entrepreneurship and creativity while at the same time providing
>> regulations to protect the environment, safety in the workplace, ensure
>> the
>> maintenance and construction of the public infrastructure and perform
>> those things
>> private organizations cannot enter without conflicts of interest. In
>> this
>> sense, the burden of providing health insurance should not be placed on
>> the
>> backs of businesses - it's crushing them - only the health insurance
>> companies resist universal single-payer health insurance - for obvious
>> reasons.
>> We are falling behind other countries because they provide better
>> health
>> care to their citizens at a fraction of the cost of our system.
>> Let business do what it does best and let our government provide the
>> needed balance for everyone.
>> And I hope that the GOP gets it's act together and purges the
>> radicals - if they don't, there will only be the Democratic party - and
>> even *I*
>> don't want that.
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/18/2013 9:19:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> jamesmmoynihan at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Free market capitalism is the way to go. That is what made America
>> great.
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> Jim Moynihan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <DanFlasar at aol.com>
>> To: <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>>
>>
>>> So much for the idea that the Free Market solves all problems.
>>>
>>> Without intervention by the will of the people (ie, our
>>> government),
>>> free market capitalism leads inexorably to monopoly - which is why
>>> government has had to intervene so continuously over the years - which
>>> leads to too
>>> much regulation which leads to too much deregulation which leads to...
>>> You'd think we'd remember this.
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 2/15/2013 3:25:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>>> dickmorris at netzero.net writes:
>>>
>>> Matt and Gary,
>>>
>>> At least Springfield and Columbia have bus stations in town! Matt, I
>>> don't
>>> know about where you are. But here in Tahlequah, the bus depot sits
>>> abandoned; I don't know when the last bus rolled through here, but it
>> was
>>> before I came in 2004. Our closest bus station is Muskogee, about 25
>>> miles
>>> away, and taking a bus from there is like flying out of Springfield,
>>> in
>>> that
>>> you'll go to a "hub" city like Tulsa or OKC and change there. And
>>> Tulsa
>>> is
>>> sixty miles from here.
>>>
>>> Isn't deregulation wonderful? Just for grins, if you want an analysis
>>> of
>>> what deregulation has done to the airline industry, read Thomas
>>> Petzinger's
>>> Hard Landing. Petzinger writes for the Wall Street Journal, and the
>>> book
>>> is
>>> both interesting and readable.
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Matt Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:10 PM
>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>>>
>>> Now,
>>>
>>> Megabus and the michigan flyer have all been successes.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>> Sender: "Nfbmo" <nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:03:59
>>> To: 'NFB of Missouri Mailing List'<nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Reply-To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>>>
>>> When I sometimes ride the bus I get the impression they will run their
>>> busses until they run no more and then they'll stop serving us all
>>> together.
>>> It is not the service-oriented company I used to ride regularly.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfbmo [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dick Morris
>>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 12:59 PM
>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>>>
>>> Matt, the big problem with Greyhound is that they have had no real
>>> competition ever since they acquired Continental Trailways in the
>>> early
>>> 90s,
>>> and thereby gutted the Trailways network. It reminds me of the old,
>>> before
>>> the breakup, AT&T commercial slogan, "We may be the only phone company
>> in
>>> town, but we try not to act like it." Epic fail on the parts of both
>> AT&T
>>> and Greyhound.
>>>
>>> Speaking of lack of competition, think of what air travel will be like
>>> once
>>> American and USAir complete their merger.
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Matt Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 7:40 AM
>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>>>
>>> Dick,
>>>
>>> Thank you for correcting me. Mrs. Cruise did the best she could with
>>> the
>>> bus
>>> system. She even ran multiple buses on the same route during holiday
>>> weekends, because the mall was so backed up. I never used access
>> express,
>>> because I didn't qualify, so I can't speak for that service.
>>>
>>> As for Norna Champion. She has a school and a park named after her.
>>>
>>> Greyhound is horrible for everyone. For blind people, for
>>> servicemen/women
>>> going to Fort Leonard, and everyone in between.
>>>
>>> Greyhound drives me to be a more successful person. So I can bypass
>>> that
>>> nastyness, by prtivate leased car trips or airline travel.
>>>
>>> I will NEVER advocate greyhound to anyone. They really don't care
>>> about
>>> their customers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Dick Morris" <dickmorris at netzero.net>
>>> Sender: "Nfbmo" <nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 03:45:09
>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List<nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Reply-To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>>>
>>> Matt, her name is Carol Cruise, and she has retired--but she was
>>> always
>>> willing to listen to her customers. From what Gary tells me, the buses
>>> are
>>> full now, probably thanks to $3 gasoline.
>>>
>>> But...you are absolutely right about the "second class citizen"
>> attitude.
>>> Maybe you remember Dr. Norma Champion. I had her in several classes at
>>> Evangel when I got my communications degree back in the dark ages. As
>>> a
>>> state senator, well...I was at a Jeff City seminar, I forget which
>>> year,
>>> and
>>> of course I met with her to push NFB issues. One was a transit issue,
>> and
>>> her response was that public transit was for "someone like you". I
>> think
>>> I
>>> bit my tongue till it bled. She was losing her vision due to macular
>>> degeneration, but I never could get her to see our side of things. Sad
>>> but
>>> true.
>>>
>>> And which Greyhound station were you referring to? The old one on St.
>>> Louis
>>> or the new one on East Kearney? My problems were more with rude
>>> Greyhound
>>> drivers than anything else, but the last time I rode the bus, about a
>>> year
>>> ago, I had a good experience--except for a bus that was three hours
>> late.
>>> Oh, well...can't have everything.
>>>
>>> Dick
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Matt Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:11 PM
>>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>>>
>>> Sigh,
>>>
>>> I am glad I am not in Springfield.
>>>
>>> Public Transportation in Springfield, Missouri has always been a
>>> "second-class" citizen issue. "only poor people and the elderly ride
>>> the
>>> bus." is what I heard from most folks.
>>>
>>> Also seeing empty buses driving around town didn't help any either.
>>>
>>> Mary Cruse did a lot to help out the transit issue. I don't know where
>>> she
>>> went, but obviously by Gary's, account, things have not improved.
>>>
>>> The only thing worse in Springfield, Mo than the public transit
>>> system,
>>> is
>>> the Greyhound station.
>>>
>>> My primary means of transportation in Springfield, Mo was a cab or
>>> walking.
>>> Only when I worked at St. John's was the bus useful, that is because
>> the
>>> #2
>>> S. National went past the hospital on weekdays, and the #5 went by on
>>> weekends. Besides that, the bus was a headache I did not want.
>>>
>>> Matt Sievert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Dick Morris <dickmorris at netzero.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good job, Erin and Gary! I wish I were still in Springfield so I
>>>> could
>>>> be
>>>> part of this. You're dooing the right thing in trying to garner
>>> publicity;
>>>> sometimes the only way to get action is to embarrass somebody. Go for
>>> it!
>>>>
>>>> Dick
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Magoon Erin" <magoone at gary-springfield-mo.net>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:11 PM
>>>> To: <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>>>>
>>>> The Bus Saga Continues.
>>>>
>>>> Gary and I went to the City Council meeting on Monday. He spoke
>>>> about
>>> the
>>>> fixed route buses and I spoke about Access Express. Access is the
>>>> para-transit door to door service that I'm riding for now because of
>> my
>>>> surgery last October.
>>>>
>>>> It is getting pretty rediculous trying to get a ride on Access.
>>>> They
>>> will
>>>> only let you schedule a ride up to one week in advance and it's
>>>> getting
>>>> difficult to do so. They also have a 20 minute window either side of
>>> your
>>>> pick-up to come and get you. I had a pickup at 6:00 pm and they
>> didn't
>>>> have
>>>> the person come on duty who was going to get me until 5:55 so he
>>>> didn't
>>>> arrive until 6:20.
>>>>
>>>> I had another person drop me off at the wrong entrance to my building
>> in
>>>> my
>>>> apaartment complex. I couldn't get a ride home from my job developer
>>> until
>>>> two hours after the end of my appointment. I couldn't get a ride
>>>> home
>>>> from
>>>> the gym at all, I could get there but not home. I also called one
>>>> week
>>> in
>>>> advance of the City Council meeting to schedule my ride. I scheduled
>> it
>>>> for
>>>> 10:30 pm because I didn't know how long the meeting would go and they
>>>> set
>>>> it
>>>> up. The lady called me back ten minutes later and said she looked at
>>>> the
>>>> schedule wrong. "It's written in military time and I have trouble
>>> reading
>>>> and understanding it. The latest we can get you is 8:30 not 10:30."
>>>>
>>>> I told the Council most of what I've just told you and they sent the
>>>> following questions to City Utilities telling them they wanted
>>>> answers
>>> by
>>>> Friday, February 22.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Why did you make the bus route changes?
>>>> 2. Why didn't you have the schedules and maps ready before the
>>>> changes
>>>> took
>>>> effect?
>>>> 3. Why didn't you hold a public hearing or have public comments
>>>> before
>>> you
>>>> made the changes?
>>>> 4. Why did the routes change 3 and 4 times after you made the
>>>> original
>>>> changes?
>>>> 5. Is it true that you didn't want the passengers to know the changes
>>> were
>>>> coming? If so, why not?
>>>> 6. Why are people having so many difficulties scheduling an Access
>>> Express
>>>> ride 6 and 7 days in advance?
>>>>
>>>> I called the City Council yesterday to find out what was the next
>>>> step,
>>>> that's when I got told those questions were sent to City Utilities
>>>> and
>>>> as
>>>> soon as they received a response they'd call me.
>>>>
>>>> Today a reporter from The Springfield Newsleader called. He talked
>>>> to
>>>> both
>>>> me and Gary about what has been going on. I told him all about
>>>> Access
>>> and
>>>> that some of the buses arrive downtown five minutes early now because
>> of
>>>> the
>>>> new schedule, and the bus route that was added sits in the Social
>>> Security
>>>> parking lot for 15 minutes. No one has explained why this is.
>>>>
>>>> The paper got a report from City Utilities telling them that the
>>>> number
>>> of
>>>> riders on Access has increased and that they have 5 buses. I told
>>>> the
>>>> reporter that several people I have spoken to said they are taking
>>>> Access
>>>> because of all the route changes.
>>>>
>>>> He said that City Utilities has responded to City Council and said:
>>>> "We
>>>> should have had the bus maps and schedules available when we made
>>>> the
>>>> route
>>>> changes, we will hold public hearings in the future for any change we
>>> want
>>>> to make whether it's small or big."
>>>>
>>>> I noticed that they didn't answer any of the questions City Council
>>> asked.
>>>>
>>>> The article is supposed to run in tomorrow's paper. I hope it makes
>>>> a
>>>> difference.
>>>>
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