[Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.

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From: James Moynihan
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.

Dan

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DanFlasar at aol.com>
To: <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.


> Jim,
>    Nope.  You're wrong.  Free market capitalism  is no more viable than
> communism.  A mixed system preserves a reasonable  protection for
> initiative,
> entrepreneurship and creativity  while at the  same time providing
> regulations to protect the environment, safety in the  workplace, ensure
> the
> maintenance and construction of the public infrastructure  and perform
> those things
> private organizations cannot enter without conflicts of  interest.  In
> this
> sense, the burden of providing health insurance should  not be placed on
> the
> backs of businesses - it's crushing them - only the health  insurance
> companies resist universal single-payer health insurance - for obvious
> reasons.
>  We are falling behind other countries because they  provide better health
> care to their citizens at a fraction of the cost  of  our system.
>     Let business do what it does best and let our  government provide the
> needed balance for everyone.
>     And I hope that the GOP gets  it's act  together and purges the
> radicals - if they don't, there will only be the  Democratic party - and
> even *I*
> don't want that.
> Dan
>
>
> In a message dated 2/18/2013 9:19:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> jamesmmoynihan at gmail.com writes:
>
> Dan
>
> Free market capitalism is the way to go. That is what  made America great.
>
> Cordially,
>
> Jim Moynihan
>
> -----  Original Message ----- 
> From: <DanFlasar at aol.com>
> To:  <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:38  PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>
>
>> So much for  the idea that the Free Market solves all problems.
>>
>>   Without intervention by the will of the people   (ie, our  government),
>> free market capitalism leads inexorably to monopoly  -  which is why
>> government has had to intervene so continuously  over the years  - which
>> leads to too
>> much regulation  which leads to too much deregulation  which leads to...
>> You'd  think we'd remember this.
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> In a  message dated 2/15/2013 3:25:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>>  dickmorris at netzero.net writes:
>>
>> Matt and   Gary,
>>
>> At least Springfield and Columbia have bus stations in  town!  Matt, I
>> don't
>> know about where you are. But here  in Tahlequah, the bus  depot sits
>> abandoned; I don't know when  the last bus rolled through here,  but it
> was
>> before I came in  2004. Our closest bus station is Muskogee,  about 25
>>  miles
>> away, and taking a bus from there is like flying out of   Springfield, in
>> that
>> you'll go to a "hub" city like Tulsa or  OKC and  change there. And Tulsa
>> is
>> sixty miles from  here.
>>
>> Isn't  deregulation wonderful? Just for grins, if  you want an analysis
>> of
>> what  deregulation has done to the  airline industry, read Thomas
>> Petzinger's
>> Hard Landing.  Petzinger writes for the Wall Street Journal, and the book
>> is
>>  both interesting and  readable.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>  --------------------------------------------------
>> From:  "Matt  Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February  15,  2013 3:10 PM
>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List"   <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga   Continues.
>>
>> Now,
>>
>> Megabus and the michigan flyer  have all been  successes.
>>
>> Matt
>> -----Original  Message-----
>> From: "Gary Wunder"   <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>> Sender: "Nfbmo"   <nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013  15:03:59
>> To:  'NFB of Missouri Mailing  List'<nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>> Reply-To: NFB of  Missouri Mailing  List <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus  Saga  Continues.
>>
>> When I sometimes ride the bus I get the impression  they  will run their
>> busses until they run no more and then  they'll stop serving  us all
>> together.
>> It is not the  service-oriented company I used to ride  regularly.
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfbmo   [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dick Morris
>> Sent:  Friday,  February 15, 2013 12:59 PM
>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing  List
>> Subject: Re:  [Nfbmo] The bus Saga  Continues.
>>
>> Matt, the big problem with Greyhound is  that  they have had no real
>> competition ever since they acquired  Continental  Trailways in the early
>> 90s,
>> and thereby  gutted the Trailways network. It  reminds me of the old,
>>  before
>> the breakup, AT&T commercial slogan, "We  may be the  only phone company
> in
>> town, but we try not to act like it." Epic   fail on the parts of both
> AT&T
>> and Greyhound.
>>
>>  Speaking of lack  of competition, think of what air travel will be like
>> once
>> American and  USAir complete their   merger.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>  --------------------------------------------------
>> From:  "Matt  Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February  15,  2013 7:40 AM
>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List"   <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga   Continues.
>>
>> Dick,
>>
>> Thank you for correcting me.  Mrs. Cruise did  the best she could with
>> the
>> bus
>> system.  She even ran multiple buses on the  same route during holiday
>>  weekends, because the mall was so backed up. I  never used access
> express,
>> because I didn't qualify, so I can't speak for  that  service.
>>
>> As for Norna Champion. She has a school and a park  named  after her.
>>
>> Greyhound is horrible for everyone. For  blind people, for
>> servicemen/women
>> going to Fort Leonard, and  everyone in  between.
>>
>> Greyhound drives me to be a more  successful person. So I can  bypass
>> that
>> nastyness, by prtivate  leased car trips or airline  travel.
>>
>> I will NEVER  advocate greyhound to anyone. They really don't  care about
>> their  customers.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original   Message-----
>> From: "Dick Morris"  <dickmorris at netzero.net>
>> Sender:  "Nfbmo"  <nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013   03:45:09
>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing   List<nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>> Reply-To: NFB of Missouri Mailing  List  <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus  Saga  Continues.
>>
>> Matt, her name is Carol Cruise, and she  has retired--but she  was always
>> willing to listen to her  customers. From what Gary tells me, the  buses
>> are
>> full  now, probably thanks to $3 gasoline.
>>
>> But...you are   absolutely right about the "second class citizen"
> attitude.
>> Maybe  you  remember Dr. Norma Champion. I had her in several classes at
>>  Evangel when I  got my communications degree back in the dark ages. As
>> a
>> state senator,  well...I was at a Jeff City seminar, I forget  which
>> year,
>> and
>> of course I  met with her to push NFB  issues. One was a transit issue,
> and
>> her response  was that  public transit was for "someone like you". I
> think
>> I
>> bit my  tongue  till it bled. She was losing her vision due to macular
>>  degeneration, but I  never could get her to see our side of things. Sad
>> but
>> true.
>>
>> And  which Greyhound station  were you referring to? The old one on St.
>> Louis
>> or  the  new one on East Kearney? My problems were more with rude
>>  Greyhound
>> drivers than anything else, but the last time I rode the  bus,  about a
>> year
>> ago, I had a good experience--except  for a bus that was three  hours
> late.
>> Oh, well...can't have   everything.
>>
>> Dick
>>  --------------------------------------------------
>> From:  "Matt  Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February  14,  2013 8:11 PM
>> To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List"   <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga   Continues.
>>
>> Sigh,
>>
>> I am glad I am not in   Springfield.
>>
>> Public Transportation in Springfield, Missouri  has always  been a
>> "second-class" citizen issue. "only poor  people and the elderly ride
>> the
>> bus." is what I heard from most  folks.
>>
>> Also seeing empty buses  driving around town  didn't help any either.
>>
>> Mary Cruse did a lot to  help out  the transit issue. I don't know where
>> she
>> went, but obviously  by  Gary's, account, things have not improved.
>>
>> The only  thing worse in  Springfield, Mo than the public transit system,
>>  is
>> the Greyhound  station.
>>
>> My primary means of  transportation in Springfield, Mo was a  cab or
>> walking.
>>  Only when I worked at St. John's was the bus useful, that  is because
> the
>> #2
>> S. National went past the hospital on weekdays, and  the  #5 went by on
>> weekends. Besides that, the bus was a headache  I did not  want.
>>
>> Matt  Sievert
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:02 PM,  Dick  Morris <dickmorris at netzero.net>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Good job, Erin and  Gary! I wish I were still  in Springfield so I could
>>> be
>>> part of this.   You're dooing the right thing in trying to garner
>>  publicity;
>>> sometimes  the only way to get action is to  embarrass somebody. Go for
>> it!
>>>
>>>  Dick
>>>
>>>   --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Magoon  Erin"  <magoone at gary-springfield-mo.net>
>>> Sent:  Thursday, February 14,  2013 6:11 PM
>>> To:  <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [Nfbmo] The  bus Saga  Continues.
>>>
>>> The Bus Saga  Continues.
>>>
>>>  Gary and I went to the City Council  meeting on Monday.  He spoke about
>> the
>>> fixed route  buses and I spoke about Access Express.  Access  is the
>>>  para-transit door to door service that I'm riding for now  because of
> my
>>> surgery last October.
>>>
>>> It is  getting  pretty rediculous trying to get a ride on Access.   They
>> will
>>> only  let you schedule a ride up to one  week in advance and it's
>>> getting
>>>  difficult to do so.   They also have a 20 minute window either side of
>> your
>>>  pick-up to come and get you.  I had a pickup at 6:00 pm and  they
> didn't
>>> have
>>> the person come on duty who was going to  get  me until 5:55 so he
>>> didn't
>>> arrive until  6:20.
>>>
>>> I had  another person drop me off at the  wrong entrance to my building
> in
>>>  my
>>> apaartment  complex. I couldn't get a ride home from my job  developer
>>  until
>>> two hours after the end of my appointment.  I   couldn't get a ride home
>>> from
>>> the gym at all, I could  get  there but not home.  I also called one
>>> week
>>  in
>>> advance of the  City Council meeting to schedule my  ride.  I scheduled
> it
>>>  for
>>> 10:30 pm because  I didn't know how long the meeting would go and  they
>>>  set
>>> it
>>> up.  The lady called me back ten  minutes  later and said she looked at
>>> the
>>>  schedule wrong.  "It's written  in military time and I have  trouble
>> reading
>>> and understanding  it.  The  latest we can get you is 8:30 not 10:30."
>>>
>>> I told   the Council most of what I've just told you and they sent  the
>>>  following questions to City Utilities telling them they  wanted answers
>> by
>>> Friday, February  22.
>>>
>>> 1. Why did you make the bus  route  changes?
>>> 2. Why didn't you have the schedules and maps ready   before the changes
>>> took
>>> effect?
>>> 3. Why  didn't you hold  a public hearing or have public comments before
>>  you
>>> made the  changes?
>>> 4. Why did the routes  change 3 and 4 times after you made the  original
>>>  changes?
>>> 5. Is it true that you didn't want the  passengers  to know the changes
>> were
>>> coming? If so, why  not?
>>> 6.  Why are people having so many difficulties  scheduling an Access
>> Express
>>> ride 6 and 7 days in  advance?
>>>
>>> I called the  City Council yesterday to  find out what was the next
>>> step,
>>> that's when  I got told  those questions were sent to City Utilities and
>>> as
>>>  soon as  they received a response they'd call me.
>>>
>>>  Today a reporter from  The Springfield Newsleader called.  He talked
>>> to
>>> both
>>> me  and Gary about what has been going  on.  I told him all about Access
>> and
>>> that some of the  buses arrive downtown five minutes early now  because
> of
>>>  the
>>> new schedule, and the bus route that was added  sits in  the Social
>> Security
>>> parking lot for 15 minutes.  No  one  has explained why this is.
>>>
>>> The paper got a  report from City  Utilities telling them that the
>>> number
>>  of
>>> riders on Access has  increased and that they have 5  buses.  I told the
>>> reporter that  several people I have  spoken to said they are taking
>>> Access
>>> because  of  all the route changes.
>>>
>>> He said that City  Utilities has  responded to City Council and said:
>>> "We
>>> should  have had the bus maps  and schedules available when we made  the
>>> route
>>> changes, we  will hold public hearings  in the future for any change we
>> want
>>> to make  whether  it's small or big."
>>>
>>> I noticed that they didn't  answer  any of the questions City Council
>>  asked.
>>>
>>> The article is  supposed to run in  tomorrow's paper.  I hope it makes a
>>>   difference.
>>>
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