[Nfbmo] {Disarmed} Reposting a Facebook post that my wife made.

Wed Mar 8 21:11:16 UTC 2017

Yes, we do disagree.  I feel that the sighted world should have to adjust
and make reasonable accommodations for the disabled.  My guess is that this
is a debate that has been going on for decades inside our organization.

Thanks,
Randy Carmack

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Jenny Carmack via Nfbmo <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi Gary,
>
> Yes the instructor knows that I am blind.  I have talked with her
> several times throughout the semester.  For this particular assignment
>  I was not aware that she specifically wanted it to becompleted in
> power point.  I take partial responsibility in my not knowing.   While
> it says no where in the instructions for completing the assignment
> which format it was to be done in, she did provide an example for us
> to look at online.  I did not pay attention to the file extention and
> therefore did not realize I was looking at a power point example.  The
> assignment was to create a fact sheet about an assigned medical
> condition and present your information to the class.  I wrote this in
> a word document similar to how you would get a fact sheet from your
> doctor about a medical condition.  I was ready to present my
> information.  However, when it came time to present I realized that
> everyone else was using power point to present their information to
> the class. (only half of the class presented that day)  I talked to
> the instructor that day after class and it came to that she really
> wanted me to use power point and include images or photos.  I told her
> I would try, but that I had not done this before with a screen reader
> and did not know how it would work.  At that time I did not know if I
> could use power point with JAWS.  I have since learned (hoping that I
> have learned correctly) that I can use JAWS to enter text into the
> power point slides, but that to insert images I need the assistance of
> someone with sight.  To date I have not learned my way around power
> point yet.  My daughter helped me to put my information into power
> point slides and I am ready to present in class tomorrow.  Randy and I
> have a different perspective on this situation, he believes that a
> blind person should not be expected to do visual presentations and
> that I should not be required to do this for an assignment and that
> the word document I have created should be good enough.  I feel that
> in a perfect world that would be great, but that is just not how life
> works.  I feel that being a blind person in a sighted world I have to
> adjust and accommodate to fit in even if that means at time I have to
> ask for assistance to complete things.
>
> Jenny
>
> On 3/7/17, Gary Wunder via Nfbmo <nfbmo at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Yes, the teacher evidences a keen unawareness when it comes to the needs
> of
> > special education students. Was this shown on the syllabus? Is the
> > professor
> > aware that Jenny is blind?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nfbmo [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Randy Carmack
> > via
> > Nfbmo
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:09 PM
> > To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
> > Cc: Randy Carmack
> > Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] {Disarmed} Reposting a Facebook post that my wife
> > made.
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > Jenny was given an assignment to do.  I am not sure how it happened but
> > Jenny was never told by the professor or in any of the instructions that
> > she
> > wanted it done in a power point, there was supposedly some visual example
> > that the class was supposed to refer to.  So when the assignment was due
> > everyone presented their project in power point except Jenny who had
> > completed the assignment and presented it in a word document.
> > Apparently the word document was not good enough for this instructor and
> > she
> > had Jenny redo the project and place it in a power point document and
> > include pictures.  This is a masters level Special Education class not a
> > technology or a M.S. Office class.
> >
> > Please correct me if I am wrong but this seemed completely unreasonable
> to
> > me, especially seeing that this professor is tasked with teaching Special
> > Education teachers.
> >
> > Thanks for your response,
> > Randy Carmack
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Gary Wunder via Nfbmo <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I come late to this discussion, so there may be comments that I have
> >> missed along the way. I think there is some truth in the fact that a
> >> picture is worth a thousand words. There are things that can be
> >> understood visually and tactiley that take forever to explain. Imagine
> >> trying to explain a seesaw and then feeling one. Would the explanation
> >> of a jungle gym ever excite the kind of memories and experiences that
> >> being on one would? Graphs have a wonderful way of making things clear
> >> that numbers simply obscure. So, if you can't see a thing, can we
> >> enlarge it so you can, or can we put it under your fingers so that you
> >> can take advantage of the sense that is most equivalent to sight?
> >> These are the things I worked to make happen when I was in college,
> >> but the problem is making them happen in real time. I had to ask
> >> somebody to help me after the class by using a raised line drawing
> >> board to convey what was on the chalkboard. If there were words in the
> >> presentation that I knew how to pronounce but not how to spell, I had to
> > ask someone.
> >>
> >> Now I may or may not be hitting on the points that are bothering you.
> >> When you talk about learning visually, you may be talking about the
> >> inaccessibility of websites or the places to which they send you. I
> >> remember that when Debbie was in class we had websites that she could
> >> navigate with little difficulty, but when she pressed a button that
> >> was to start a video important to her class work, it might well open a
> >> player that had no identifiable buttons to JAWS for Windows. This was
> >> like going 90 miles an hour in hitting a brick wall. It was like being
> >> handed an ice cream cone and then being told you couldn't eat it.
> >>
> >> I am guessing that there are solutions to the problems you're facing,
> >> but to really help, I need to know more. Please share on the list or
> >> send me a private email. Also remember that there is a National
> >> Association of Blind Students list and a Missouri Association of Blind
> >> Students list. Both can be joined by going to Nfbnet.org. I caution
> >> that the national list has quite a bit of traffic, so part of being
> >> able to use it effectively is asking your questions and looking at
> >> those items that relate to what you have asked or to those items that
> >> you can respond to in helping someone else.
> >>
> >> Warmly,
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
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