[Nfbmt] {Spam?} Re: real i.d.

d m gina dmgina at sero.email
Wed Nov 23 21:29:34 UTC 2016


Except for what I have, I have no clue what a real ID is.
Land sakes you have your picture, rite there, just plum silly.

Original message:
> As I understand, in January 2018, )a year plus from now), you will need a
> Real I D or some other acceptable form.  A Montana I D or drivers license
> will not be accepted.
> Ted

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> I'm trying to find out.  I don't have any of the other forms of i.d. like a
> passport, a green card, a naturalization card, or whatever.

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> After all of that babble I am not sure where Montana stands.
> Are they saying one might need a pass port? Something like that for a second
> ID?

> Original message:
>> Current Status of States/Territories

>> The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced on December 20,
>> 2013 a phased enforcement plan for the REAL ID Act (the Act), as
>> passed by Congress,

>> that will implement the Act in a measured, fair, and responsible way.



>> Enforcement

>> If a state or territory does not receive a new extension Federal
>> agencies may not accept licenses and identification cards issued by
>> these states and territories

>> beginning January 30, 2017.



>> Noncompliant States/Territories

>> The following states remain noncompliant and have not been granted a
>> renewed extension and will be subject to REAL ID enforcement following
>> a short grace

>> period. Starting January 30, 2017, Federal agencies and nuclear power
>> plants may not accept for official purposes driver's licenses and
>> state IDs from

>> a noncompliant state/territory without an extension.



>> list of 6 items

>> .Kentucky

>> .Maine

>> .Montana

>> .Oklahoma

>> .Pennsylvania

>> .S. Carolina

>> list end



>> Real ID Public FAQs | Homeland Security

>>    Official website of the Department of Homeland Security

>> REAL ID Frequently Asked Questions



>> The following are frequently asked questions about the REAL ID program
>> that would be useful to the public.



>> Q: What is REAL ID?

>> Passed by Congress in 2005, the REAL ID Act enacted the 9/11
>> Commission's recommendation that the Federal Government "set standards
>> for the issuance of

>> sources of identification, such as driver's licenses." The Act
>> established minimum security standards for state-issued driver's
>> licenses and identification

>> cards and prohibits Federal agencies from accepting for official
>> purposes licenses and identification cards from states that do not
>> meet these standards.

>> States have made considerable progress in meeting this key
>> recommendation of the 9/11 Commission and every state has a more
>> secure driver's license today

>> than before the passage of the Act.



>> Q: What do I need to do if I am visiting a federal facility or a
>> military base?

>> Starting October 10, 2015, visitors seeking access to military bases
>> and almost all Federal facilities using their state-issued driver's
>> licenses or identification

>> cards must present proper identification issued by REAL ID compliant
>> states or a state that has received an extension. When planning a
>> visit to a Federal

>> facility or military base, visitors should contact the facility to
>> determine what identification will be accepted.



>> Q; Will a federal agency accept my Enhanced Driver's License?

>> Yes. State Enhanced Driver's Licenses (EDLs) designated as acceptable
>> border-crossing documents by DHS under the Western Hemisphere Travel
>> Initiative are

>> acceptable for official federal purposes such as accessing a Federal
>> facility or boarding a commercial aircraft. Individual agency policies
>> may still apply.



>> Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Vermont, and Washington are the only
>> states that currently issue EDLs. For more information on EDLs, please
>> go to

>> www.dhs.gov/enhanced-drivers-licenses-what-are-they.



>>  Q: REAL ID does NOT apply to the following:

>> list of 6 items

>> .Entering Federal facilities that do not require a person to present
>> identification

>> .Voting or registering to vote

>> .Applying for or receiving Federal benefits

>> .Being licensed by a state to drive

>> .Accessing Health or life preserving services (including hospitals and
>> health clinics), law enforcement, or constitutionally protected
>> activities (including

>> a defendant's access to court proceedings)

>> .Participating in law enforcement proceedings or investigations

>> list end



>> Q: Why is DHS implementing air travel in stages?

>> On January 8, 2016, the Secretary of Homeland Security announced the
>> following timetable for the implementation of the REAL ID Act for air
> travel:



>> list of 5 items

>> .Effective immediately, the Department of Homeland Security will
>> conduct outreach to educate the traveling public about the timeline
>> below, and continue

>> engagements with states to encourage compliance with REAL ID standards.

>> .Starting July 15, 2016, TSA, in coordination with airlines and
>> airport stakeholders, will begin to issue web-based advisories and
>> notifications to the

>> traveling public.

>> .Starting December 15, 2016, TSA will expand outreach at its airport
>> checkpoints through signage, handouts, and other methods.

>> .Starting January 22, 2018, passengers with a driver's license issued
>> by a state that is still not compliant with the REAL ID Act (and has
>> not been granted

>> an extension) will need to show an alternative form of acceptable
>> identification for domestic air travel to board their flight.

>>  Passengers with driver's licenses issued by a state that is compliant
>> with REAL ID (or a state that has been issued an extension) will still
>> be able to

>> use their driver's licenses or identification cards.

>> .Starting October 1, 2020, every air traveler will need a REAL
>> ID-compliant license, or another acceptable form of identification,
>> for domestic air travel.

>> list end



>> This timetable recognizes that some states must change their laws to
>> comply with the REAL ID Act. It is also designed to provide an
>> opportunity for members

>> of the public to learn more about the implications of not having a
>> REAL ID-compliant license, and so that individuals have an ample
>> opportunity to replace

>> their pre-REAL ID licenses with new compliant licenses or to obtain
>> another acceptable form of identification.



>> Q: When will I need to change how I travel domestically?

>> Starting January 22, 2018, passengers who have driver's licenses
>> issued by a state that is not yet compliant with REAL ID and that has
>> not received an

>> extension will need to show an alternative form of acceptable
>> identification for domestic air travel. Please see

>> TSA's website

>> for a list of acceptable forms of identification. Passengers who have
>> licenses issued by a state that is compliant or that has an extension
>> to become

>> compliant with REAL ID requirements may continue to use their licenses
>> as usual. For a list of states already in compliance or with an
>> extension visit



>> DHS's REAL ID webpage.

>> DHS continually updates this list as more states come into compliance
>> or obtain extensions.



>> Starting October 1, 2020, every air traveler will need to present a
>> REAL ID-compliant license or another acceptable form of identification
>> for domestic

>> air travel. A REAL ID compliant license is one that meets, and is
>> issued by a state that complies with, the REAL ID Act's security
> standards.



>> Travelers can check

>> DHS's REAL ID webpage

>> at any time to learn if your state is compliant and can check with
>> your state's agency that issues driver's licenses about how to acquire
>> a compliant

>> license. The earlier your state becomes compliant, the more likely you
>> will be able to acquire a compliant license as part of the normal
>> renewal
> cycle.



>> Q: How will the public be notified of these changes for air travel?

>> On January 8, 2016, the Secretary of Homeland Security announced the
>> timetable for the final phase of implementation to the REAL ID Act to
>> inform the traveling

>> public of changes that will be made for identification for domestic
>> air travel effective January 22, 2018. DHS will conduct outreach to
>> educate the traveling

>> public about the timeline, and continue engagements with states to
>> encourage compliance with REAL ID standards.



>> Starting July 15, 2016, TSA, in coordination with airlines and airport
>> stakeholders, will begin to issue web-based advisories and
>> notifications to the

>> traveling public.



>> Starting December 15, 2016, TSA will expand outreach at its airport
>> checkpoints through signage, handouts, and other methods.



>> Q: Will minors need to have driver's licenses to fly domestically?

>> TSA does not require children under 18 to provide identification when
>> traveling with a companion within the United States. The companion
>> will need acceptable

>> identification.



>> Q: Is a passport my only other option if my state is not compliant?

>> No. TSA currently accepts several other forms of identity documents
>> and will continue to do so. For more information on acceptable forms
>> of identification

>> for boarding aircraft, please see

>> TSA's website.



>> Q: Is DHS trying to build a national database with all of our information?

>> No. REAL ID is a national set of standards, not a national
>> identification card.  REAL ID does not create a federal database of
>> driver license information.

>> Each jurisdiction continues to issue its own unique license, maintains
>> its own records, and controls who gets access to those records and
>> under what circumstances.

>> The purpose of REAL ID is to make our identity documents more
>> consistent and secure.



>> Q: Why is DHS announcing this now? Deadlines have been changed
>> numerous times, so why can't this wait?

>> Since 2013, in accordance with the phased enforcement plan announced
>> by DHS, federal agencies have begun implementation at federal
>> facilities and military

>> bases. The Department has not previously announced a schedule for
>> implementation for air travel.  The time has come to complete
>> implementation of the law,

>> in support of the overall goal of ensuring the safety and security of
>> the public.



>> Q: Can states still receive extensions from DHS?

>> Yes. DHS is continuing to provide extensions, as warranted. Extensions
>> are granted for a maximum of one year and may be renewed if a state
>> demonstrates

>> continued progress towards compliance. Extensions are not a long-term
>> alternative to a state becoming compliant. All states must become
>> compliant-both

>> in terms of the law, but also to prevent the burden of additional
>> documentation from falling on their residents.



>> Q: What happens to travelers who show up without a compliant license?
>> Will TSA turn them away?

>> DHS has been working with states for years around REAL ID compliance
>> and have provided technical assistance, grants and other support to
>> them.  We are

>> also providing more than two years advance notice of implementation
>> with respect to domestic air travel to allow ample time for all states
>> to achieve compliance,

>> or for potential air travelers to acquire an alternate form of ID if
>> their state does not comply with REAL ID.



>> Starting January 22, 2018, travelers who do not have a license from a
>> compliant state or a state that has been granted an extension (

>> a complete list of non-compliant states/ territories can be found
>> here)

>> will be asked to provide alternate

>> acceptable identification.

>> If the traveler cannot provide an acceptable form of identification,
>> they will not be permitted through the security checkpoint.



>> Starting October 1, 2020, every traveler will need to present a REAL
>> ID-compliant license or another acceptable form of identification for
>> domestic air

>> travel.



>> Q: Why are some states still not compliant? Isn't this law?

>> REAL ID is a mandate on Federal agencies, restricting the
>> circumstances under which they may accept state-issued driver's
>> licenses and identification cards

>> for official purposes.  Participation by states is voluntary, although
>> Federal agencies are prohibited from accepting driver's licenses or
>> identification

>> cards from noncompliant states for official purposes (e.g., boarding
>> aircraft, accessing federal facilities, and entering nuclear power
> plants).



>> Q:  How does REAL ID implementation impact states that provide
>> driver's licenses and IDs to certain non-citizens/undocumented immigrants?

>> REAL ID allows compliant states to issue driver's licenses and
>> identification cards where the identity of the applicant cannot be
>> assured or for whom lawful

>> presence is not determined.  In fact, some states currently issue such
>> noncompliant cards to undocumented individuals. These cards must
>> clearly state on

>> their face (and in the machine readable zone) that it is not
>> acceptable for official purposes and must use a unique design or color
>> to differentiate them

>> from compliant cards.  DHS cautions against assuming that possession
>> of a noncompliant card indicates the holder is an undocumented
>> individual, given that

>> several states issue noncompliant licenses for reasons unrelated to
>> lawful presence.



>> Last Published Date: October 26, 2016

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