[nfbwatlk] Funding of blindness skills training center

Jedi loneblindjedi at samobile.net
Tue Mar 3 18:40:46 UTC 2009


Cheers Noel. Thanks for clearing that up.

Respectfully Submitted


Original message:
> Jeddi and others:

> There has always been a disincentive for DSB to fund out-of-state 
> training, but it is a little different than you described.

> Both the OTC and the costs for individuals to receive out-of-state 
> blindness skills training are funded by the vocational rehabilitation 
> program, about 80 percent of which dollars are federal and 20 percent 
> of which are state.  The difference in the funding is that the OTC is a 
> fixed cost that DSB incurs whether or not an individual attends the OTC 
> while the out-of-state training is an expense that DSB would not incur 
> if the individual had chosen to attend the OTC.  Nevertheless, while 
> the numbers are not easy to nail down, many of us believe that the per 
> student cost for in-state training at the OTC or out-of-state training 
> at one of the NFB-affiliated training centers are about the same.

> It appears that the OTC is or will also be serving independent living 
> clients, which is funded about 90 percent by federal dollars and 10 
> percent by state dollars, if the state legislature is not providing 
> "over match."

> Noel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf Of Jedi
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:30 PM
> To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Possible Closure of the DSB OTC Residency Program

> Lisa and List:

> I want to start by clearing up one misconception The money that goes 
> into the training center and the money that sends rehab customers out 
> of state does not come out of the same pocket so to speak. Out-of-state 
> training money comes from actual rehab dollars, and OTC money comes 
> from a different part of the budget which is funded by state dollars. I 
> found this out while lobbying to go to Louisiana.

> Informed choice is all about allowing customers to really look at their 
> options and see what's best for them. What I understand to be true of 
> NFB philosophy and policy is that we're in support of informed choice.
> Yes, we believe our training centers provide the best in blindness 
> training. We also believe that those who wish for quality training in 
> state should have it. Where the NFB gets frustrated with in-state 
> services is that many counselors behave as though out-of-state training 
> isn't an option when the law clearly states it is, or where a person 
> feels that their needs would be best met by attending an out-of-state 
> center yet they have to go through so many hoops that it becomes 
> utterly rediculous. Lisa's absolutely right that some people, for 
> whatever reason, may find it difficult, if not altogether impossible, 
> to go out of state. the point to having a state center is not to keep 
> people in state as a default, but to offer a local option. If the 
> residential portion of the in-state training center closes, the program 
> is pretty well ineffective.

> I invite as many people as are able and willing to attend the public 
> comment at 9:00 a.m. at DSB's Seattle office on Saturday to show 
> support for in-state training as a viable option and to keep it 
> available to customers in the rehab system. I am currently working on 
> arrangements for those in the Bellingham area who wish to attend. I am 
> also willing to make arrangements for those in Whatcom, Island, and 
> Skagit Counties as they'll literally be on our way down. Please contact 
> me off list at loneblindjedi at samobile.net if you are are in my area and 
> are interested in coming. I already know that Lisa is interested.

> For me, I think it's necessary for NFB members to go to the public 
> comment to show our support for the OTC's program as a continuous and 
> viable training option. Nothing budgetary is set in stone right now, 
> but DSB needs to know that we as a blind community care about the 
> services we're receiving and that these services matter to us and have 
> impact on our lives.



> Original message:

>> Hello  Dean:
>> We  need to improve the services in our state. We have a direct
>> responsibility to  the blind citizens in WA. I agree the programs in
>> CO and LA are better but that  does not justify allowing the OTC
>> Residency program to be cut.
>> I  have to admit that being apart from Ron for 8-10 weeks at a time is
>> hard enough  but I would not go to another state for services I can
>> get in Seattle or  locally. If DSB is forced to close the program;
>> there will be much fewer options  open for those who cannot travel long 
>> distances or out of the state.
>> They should  not forced to do so due to a lack of choices.
>> Realisticallyis using
>> leverage in  order to send students to CO or LA being fair? What if
>> the student can't leave  his family? Or other personal reasons prevent
>> him from traveling such a great  distance? Being separated from your
>> family or Spouse may not work for the  student and may caurse further
>> stress.
>> The  blind community in WA needs this program to remain open. Sending
>> students to  other state programs is both unrealistic and cuts into a
>> very stressful state  and federal budget. We all must be realistic and
>> try and find a solution that  will benefit the blind community of WA
>> on a local level.
>> As  the President stated this country is in a depression in many
>> states including  ours; we need to be practical and flexible. services
>> need to be better in the  state and for all of us to still have the
>> choice of attending our local training  center if the need ever
>> arises. Let leaving the state remain a choice if needed.  The
>> recession is worsening and we need to remember this.
>> It  is also my hope that we in the NFB will not take a passive role in
>> this issue. I  think keeping all programs at DSB open is a benefit to
>> all blind people in WA.  It is worth fighting for.
>> Lisa  Owen
>> In  a message dated 3/2/2009 3:53:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>> dean at topdotenterprises.com writes:
>> My  guess here is that the NFB won't view this development as too much
>> of  a negative, because it means that they will be able to leverage
>> more  people being sent to the Colorado Center because, after all,
>> comparable  services aren't provided in Washington.

>> Dean


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Nfbnorthwest at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:17 PM
>> To:  nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nfbwatlk] Possible Closure of the DSB OTC  Residency Program


>> Hello:
>> Due  to the economy and State  budget cuts DSB is considering closing
>> the OTC

>> Residency program. Please  read the info posted below. I was part of
>> the program  for a short time  but I had to return for personal
>> reasons including health concerns. I was  considering returnin gto the
>> program at a later date, but
>> being   separated from my Spouse Ron was very hard to deal with and thus
>> caused a
>> great  deal of stress. However, the program can help and should not be  cut.
>> I
>> don't  know what our position in this matter is, but I am  interested
>> in finding out. I  got the info from the WCBL list. I am  very
>> concerned about how this is going to  impact services in the  State
>> and also how far the budget cutting will go. What  other  programs
>> will be effected.
>> I  have to admit during my short time in the  program I never heard
>> anyone mention  stopping the program for the  residents; the hours at
>> the center were changed but  nothing beyond  that. However, I did
>> sense a great deal of tension
>> and stress; I   had a feeling that something was going to happen.
>> The  program is  a good one to have. We should not allow it to be lost. Even
>> in favor   of other programs in other states. I hope that everyone will
>> support
>> the  program  staying open. Also, I hope that everyone will encourage
>> DSB to cut carefully  when it comes to services.
>> Lisa  A. Owen
>> Secretary  Officer
>> NFB  of WA Student Division
>> 360-920-0405
>> _nfbnorthwest at aol.com_ (mailto:nfbnorthwest at aol.com)
>> PS:  Mike I would like to hear your views on this issue please  and thanks.


>> -----  Original Message -----
>> From: "Denise  Colley"  <dmc0124 at comcast.net>
>> To: "wcb list"  <wcb-l at wcbinfo.org>
>> Cc:  "WCB Presidents List"  <presidents at wcbinfo.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 01,  2009 6:15  PM
>> Subject: [Wcb-l] proposed closure of the DSB OTC   apartments


>> As your president I am posting the following  information,  as we
>> understand it, so that all of you will know where  WCB stands and the
>> actions we have taken.

>> Last Wednesday  representatives from both WCB  and NFBW had a
>> conference call

>> with  Department of Services for the Blind  Director, Lou Oma duirand,
>> to talk about the Department, and how they were  being impacted
>> budgetarily and programmatically with the current economic  climate in
>> Washington  State.
>> These were conversations we had been having  with DSB since  October.
>> Up until this most recent call, we had been  led to  believe that, while budget
>> cuts were inevitable, DSB was going to be   able to withstand them with some
>> creative budgeting.

>> The call  began  with Lou Oma sharing that there were three goals
>> driving  all

>> of their budget  decisions, to include:
>> 1)  making cuts  that would have the least impact  possible on
>> services to their  customers;
>> 2)  protecting as much of  their federal funding as they  could and
>> not jeopardizing it;
>> 3)   preserving their ability to  be a specialized agency offering
>> specialized

>> services and specialized  expertise, regardless of the customer's age
>> or circumstances.

>> What she then shared is of great concern to the  board  of WCB, and
>> I'm sure to all of you, the membership.  One of  the  proposed budget
>> cuts is to close

>> the residential program  (apartments) of the  orientation and training
>> center.
>> The training  program would remain in tact,  but, essentially would
>> become a day  training program.  This would mean  that they would
>> really only be  able to provide their in-depth skills of  blindness
>> training to  individuals living
>> in King County and the surrounding  area.   They would no longer have the
>> supervised training component that  took  place in the apartments in the
>> evening and on weekends.  When   asked how those customers living outside the

>> immediate area would  receive  this same level of training, we were
>> told that

>> this would  free up resources  to expand rehab teaching and
>> orientation and mobility instruction in these  residential areas.
>> Depending on  the circumstances, they could send  customers out of
>> state for more  intensive training.  They are also  considering
>> bringing itinerant  intensive trainign workshops into different  parts 
>> of the  state.

>> The WCB Board met that same evening to discuss the  situation  and began
>> formulating our position.  We were all in agreement   that full and complete
>> vocational rehabilitation cannot be done in the  home  on a once a
>> week or once a month basis, and that it is a  twenty-four hour a  day
>> process.  After

>> much discussion I was  asked to submit to Lou Oma  our position, and
>> I'm pasting it here for  your review.

>> "The  Washington Council of the Blind is categorically  opposed to
>> cutting the

>> residential function of the orientation and  training program, and we
>> charge

>> DSB with examining other  programmatic/administrative functions that
>> could be

>> cut."

>> Please  be assured that we will continue following this  situation
>> diligently

>> and developing an action plan/strategy, and as it   unfolds, I pledge to keep

>> you all informed.
>> Some of you may be  asking  what you can do.  Here is my first appeal to you.

>> Next  Saturday, March  7, the State Rehabilitation Council will be
>> holding their quarterly meeting  in Seattle at the DSB office, 
>> beginning at  9am.
>> Not
>> only is there a  time on each agenda for public comment,  but the
>> meeting is a public meeting  and all topics discussed are  open for
>> comments and questions

>> from the  audience.  We need to  pack that room and make our concerns
>> and position  clear.  We  especially need members there who have
>> attended the OTC

>> and  can  talk about what the residential part of that training meant to  you.

>> The  State Rehabilitation Council and DSB staff need to hear  from all of us.

>> I  would be happy to try to answer any questions any  of you might
>> have.  You

>> can contact me by phone at (360) 438-0072 or  e-mail me at
>> dmc0124 at comcast.net.

>> Denise


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