[nobe-l] nobe-l Digest, Vol 81, Issue 5
MARJORIE R KIRSOP
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Hi,
I liked the ideas shared about teaching. I agree that block seating is difficult for testing purposes. I forgot to mention in the last post that it was a good idea to ask a student to be a helper for the day, but the student might find it difficult to tattle on the rest of their peers. Teaching students in these modern times is difficult and requires much thought to be successful.
Lori
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5. Re: working with younger kids (bookwormahb at earthlink.net<mailto:bookwormahb at earthlink.net>)
6. Re: working with younger kids (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.)
7. Re: working with younger kids (Heather)
8. Re: working with younger kids (Lori)
9. Re: working with younger kids (Heather)
10. Re: working with younger kids (Brandy W)
11. Re: working with younger kids (Brandy W)
12. Re: working with younger kids (Heather)
13. Re: working with younger kids (Brandy W)
14. Re: working with younger kids (Lori)
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:23:32 -0600
From: Michael Grunze <michael.grunze at gmail.com<mailto:michael.grunze at gmail.com>>
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Hi! When working with younger students, I have found that instead of asking them what they are doing, ask them a question pertaining to the material. for example, "Are you following along," could turn into, "Freddy, please summarize what we just read?" Not only does this tell you that Freddie was paying attention, it also gives them practice at summarizing.
In regards to testing, Having students sit in a block setting is just
asking for trouble, especially on multiple choice or matching type
tests. If you wanted to take the time, have short answer or essay
questions, and grade them yourself. I like the give the students a zero
if they talk though. they are old enough by eighth grade to handle that,
especially since you can use the phrase, "preparation for high school"
on them.
I hope this helps,
Michael Grunze
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> Hi,
> This is typical of a normal class of average students. I am sure they have learned what they can do since they always manage to think of new ways to outsmart the teacher. This is why I decided against teaching in a regular ed classroom and would like to tutor students who need help with Braille, English lit, spelling, or grammar, or German. Good luck in your teaching.
> Lori Kirsop
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> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:06:15 -0600
> From: Faith Manion<faith_manion at hotmail.com<mailto:faith_manion at hotmail.com<mailto:faith_manion at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:faith_manion at hotmail.com>>>
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> Hello All,
> I am looking for some classroom management suggestions. I am
> currently completing my student teaching in an 8th grade classroom. I
> have about two weeks left at this school and then I will move to the
> high school. I am having some issues and I was hoping someone might
> have some suggestions.
>
> 1. The students are very comfortable with me now and are taking
> advantage of the situation. (I.E. not opening their books when we
> read, telling me they are following along even if this is not true,
> moving around the room, and switching seats. They have also become
> good at lip talking.) The teacher I am working with has informed me
> about these situations and I'm not sure the best way to address these
> issues. I considered appointing a student to help me monitor the
> classroom, but I don?t think this is best for this age group. I want
> to manage the classroom independently.
>
> 2. I have one class in particular that always wants to talk. Some
> days this is easier to control then other days. Sometimes they even
> want to talk when I am giving instructions, which obviously doesn't
> work.
>
> 3. How do you typically arrange the room for tests? This week I
> administered a test. The desks were grouped in fours, like a square.
> During the testing environment, many of the students would whisper to
> one another even after I had given direct instructions not to talk.
> Most of the students stopped talking when I caught them in the act,
> but some of them were a little sneaky. They would whisper to one
> another and by the time I reached the area to identify the speakers,
> they would stop speaking.
>
> I would appreciate any feedback you might provide. My cooperating
> teacher is great to work with and provides great feedback, but I think
> classroom management is somewhat difficult in this case. She doesn't
> really know how to help me improve in all areas of management.
> Thanks
> Faith
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:07:55 -0500
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> Hi all. Hopefully someone from Masachussets can write me back.. What resources did you use when you took the MTEL? I don't see anything in RFBd's library as far as study materials are concerned.
> Thanks.
> Hope Paulos
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> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:10:32 -0600
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> I asked this question to a sighted teacher and she told me this happens to
> her as well. Well, she could not see who was talking at the table during a
> test she was giving. She left the room to the connected little office or
> closet in the classroom to grab something and she came back to find students
> talking during the test. She approached the table where the talking was
> taking place and asked who did the talking and there was no reply. So she
> took the papers up and they received a 0 for the test. Than she informed
> all the students that if anyone else was caught talking, they would receive
> a 0 for the test too. So I think it happens to everyone who is a teacher.
> As for the first question, that is a symptom of the students these days. I
> would tell the students who keep moving around the room or disrespecting you
> that they have detention. I am not sure if your school allows for this or
> not. But if they have detention, perhaps they will start to listen to you.
> I would make a list of your rules that you post somewhere around the
> classroom about the ground rules while your teaching. I don't know if you
> went over that or not but in my special populations class, we learned how to
> affectively control differing situations in the classroom. Each situation
> is different and each age group requires a different solution. Good luck!
> Heather
>
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> Hello All,
> I am looking for some classroom management suggestions. I am currently
> completing my student teaching in an 8th grade classroom. I have about two
> weeks left at this school and then I will move to the high school. I am
> having some issues and I was hoping someone might have some suggestions.
>
> 1. The students are very comfortable with me now and are taking advantage of
> the situation. (I.E. not opening their books when we read, telling me they
> are following along even if this is not true, moving around the room, and
> switching seats. They have also become good at lip talking.) The teacher I
> am working with has informed me about these situations and I'm not sure the
> best way to address these issues. I considered appointing a student to help
> me monitor the classroom, but I don't think this is best for this age group.
> I want to manage the classroom independently.
>
> 2. I have one class in particular that always wants to talk. Some days this
> is easier to control then other days. Sometimes they even want to talk when
> I am giving instructions, which obviously doesn't work.
>
> 3. How do you typically arrange the room for tests? This week I
> administered a test. The desks were grouped in fours, like a square.
> During the testing environment, many of the students would whisper to one
> another even after I had given direct instructions not to talk.
> Most of the students stopped talking when I caught them in the act, but some
> of them were a little sneaky. They would whisper to one another and by the
> time I reached the area to identify the speakers, they would stop speaking.
>
> I would appreciate any feedback you might provide. My cooperating teacher
> is great to work with and provides great feedback, but I think
> classroom management is somewhat difficult in this case. She doesn't
> really know how to help me improve in all areas of management.
> Thanks
> Faith
>
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> Hi Faith and all,
> I teach college which is not exactly the same but a couple thoughts:
>
> First, it's great they are comfortable with you; that shows you're doing a
> lot of things right. And if they have figured out how to take advantage, I
> guess it shows they're a smart bunch.
> Second, when I have had issues in class, a couple people suggested I think
> of it in terms of authority (I'm the teacher; don't mess with me) first even
> before I called them on anything about blindness. So think about it as; I'm
> in charge; what do I want to Do? how do I want to handle this?
> And what are some ways you might be able to call them out on this or maybe
> surprise them by knowing something they think you don't know which might be
> a way to get their attention. I've taken attendance at the end as well as
> the beginning of class to catch people who I think have left. Perhaps
> address some small piece of a blindness issue. I had a class that was
> raising their hands instead of calling out when I'd take attendance; (I
> couldn't believe that actually happened), and I finally told them if they
> didn't answer I'd just mark them not here.
> And somehow it all works out in the end; you don't need to control every
> last detail though you do need most of what you want to be happening in the
> classroom and you do need to keep most of the stuff you don't want to happen
> from happening.
>
> Thanks,
> Sally Friedman
>
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> Hello All,
> I am looking for some classroom management suggestions. I am
> currently completing my student teaching in an 8th grade classroom. I
> have about two weeks left at this school and then I will move to the
> high school. I am having some issues and I was hoping someone might
> have some suggestions.
>
> 1. The students are very comfortable with me now and are taking
> advantage of the situation. (I.E. not opening their books when we
> read, telling me they are following along even if this is not true,
> moving around the room, and switching seats. They have also become
> good at lip talking.) The teacher I am working with has informed me
> about these situations and I'm not sure the best way to address these
> issues. I considered appointing a student to help me monitor the
> classroom, but I don't think this is best for this age group. I want
> to manage the classroom independently.
>
> 2. I have one class in particular that always wants to talk. Some
> days this is easier to control then other days. Sometimes they even
> want to talk when I am giving instructions, which obviously doesn't
> work.
>
> 3. How do you typically arrange the room for tests? This week I
> administered a test. The desks were grouped in fours, like a square.
> During the testing environment, many of the students would whisper to
> one another even after I had given direct instructions not to talk.
> Most of the students stopped talking when I caught them in the act,
> but some of them were a little sneaky. They would whisper to one
> another and by the time I reached the area to identify the speakers,
> they would stop speaking.
>
> I would appreciate any feedback you might provide. My cooperating
> teacher is great to work with and provides great feedback, but I think
> classroom management is somewhat difficult in this case. She doesn't
> really know how to help me improve in all areas of management.
> Thanks
> Faith
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:39:16 -0600
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Hello, I applied to work with kindergarten kids part time as I complete my
certification. The person I was talking to said I would not be a good fit
because I cant teach hand writing skills or correct their papers because I
am blind. So I am asking if there are teachers who have to deal with this
issue. And how do they teach hand writing to sighted kids. Heather
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Hello, I applied to work with kindergarten kids part time as I complete my
certification. The person I was talking to said I would not be a good fit
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:37:12 -0600
From: "Heather" <kd5cbl at gmail.com<mailto:kd5cbl at gmail.com>>
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I will give them that suggestion. I wanted to do something like this but
they did not seem impressed. Apparently they don't have teacher's aid in
the class because there is only 7 students in the class. I just wanted to
work there because it was close to my home and to my other job providing
child care to a couple of other students. I wanted to get tactile letters
upper case and lower case. I remember seeing one that you could put on a
magnet board. I could not find it on amazon because the one I saw had all
the letters plus the board. Thanks for the info! Heather
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Of Brandy W
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 2:08 PM
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I teach handwriting in lots of ways. We write in play dough, we write in wet
sand, we use a pen on paper on a pile of news paper or rubber board, we work
on hand strength and memorizing the steps to writing the letter, we use hand
writing practice pages that I have a reader look at later. It isn't easy,
but it can be done. Sometimes I would work with the group doing fine motor
activities why the teacher worked with the kids on the actual paper writing.
She has more problems than handwriting I can promise you.
"Play is to early childhood what gas is to a car," as it's "the very fuel of
every intellectual activity that our children engage in."
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(512) 689-5045
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:09:26 -0500
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Brandy, you're creative!
Heather, handwriting is a small part of working with young kids of
kindergarten age.
Are you completely blind? Did you learn print? If you learned print as a
kid, this will be helpful. There are raised letters out there and raised
line paper, I think APH has it, so even if you are completely blind, you can
learn the letters.
I ask this because if you do not know how to form print letters I don't see
how you can teach it.
If you do know print, couldn't you just demonstrate it on the blackboard or
white board and have something to keep your writing straight?
As for correcting papers, I think you'd need a reader.
That is a reasonable accomodation. Even without teaching handwriting, there
are many skills you can teach kids.
So suggest other things and I hope you get the job.
You could work with them on reading. They can practice writing and read it
back to you; you can't correct it, but you'd have an idea of what the kids
can write.
Unfortunately, its easy to get discouraged by one thing.
What is your certification in?
I did not go into teaching but thought about it; I decided the elementary ed
program at my school was too much for me; it was difficult to observe
classes, a requirement for the ed classes and I did face many doubts
including from myself.
Still I think its great for those blind people who do go into education.
Ashley
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From: Brandy W
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:08 PM
To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nobe-l] working with younger kids
I teach handwriting in lots of ways. We write in play dough, we write in wet
sand, we use a pen on paper on a pile of news paper or rubber board, we work
on hand strength and memorizing the steps to writing the letter, we use hand
writing practice pages that I have a reader look at later. It isn't easy,
but it can be done. Sometimes I would work with the group doing fine motor
activities why the teacher worked with the kids on the actual paper writing.
She has more problems than handwriting I can promise you.
"Play is to early childhood what gas is to a car," as it's "the very fuel of
every intellectual activity that our children engage in."
Brandy Wojcik Discovery Toys Educational Consultant and Team leader
(512) 689-5045
www.playtoachieve.com<http://www.playtoachieve.com/>
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Hello, I applied to work with kindergarten kids part time as I complete my
certification. The person I was talking to said I would not be a good fit
because I cant teach hand writing skills or correct their papers because I
am blind. So I am asking if there are teachers who have to deal with this
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:17:13 -0500
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Hello Heather,
APH has a writing kit with cursive letters etched on a plastic board. These are meant for blind people to learn to trace letters, and to get used to their shapes.
There is a dotted line pat that comes tiht the kit, and also a screan that creates a tactile image of what you write on the paper pad.
The thought is that you learn with the plastic mold by tracing, and practice with paper and tactile feedback.
HTH,
Antonio Guimaraes
On Feb 19, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Heather wrote:
> I will give them that suggestion. I wanted to do something like this but
> they did not seem impressed. Apparently they don't have teacher's aid in
> the class because there is only 7 students in the class. I just wanted to
> work there because it was close to my home and to my other job providing
> child care to a couple of other students. I wanted to get tactile letters
> upper case and lower case. I remember seeing one that you could put on a
> magnet board. I could not find it on amazon because the one I saw had all
> the letters plus the board. Thanks for the info! Heather
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Brandy W
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 2:08 PM
> To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] working with younger kids
>
> I teach handwriting in lots of ways. We write in play dough, we write in wet
> sand, we use a pen on paper on a pile of news paper or rubber board, we work
> on hand strength and memorizing the steps to writing the letter, we use hand
> writing practice pages that I have a reader look at later. It isn't easy,
> but it can be done. Sometimes I would work with the group doing fine motor
> activities why the teacher worked with the kids on the actual paper writing.
> She has more problems than handwriting I can promise you.
>
> "Play is to early childhood what gas is to a car," as it's "the very fuel of
> every intellectual activity that our children engage in."
> Brandy Wojcik Discovery Toys Educational Consultant and Team leader
> (512) 689-5045
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> Hello, I applied to work with kindergarten kids part time as I complete my
> certification. The person I was talking to said I would not be a good fit
> because I cant teach hand writing skills or correct their papers because I
> am blind. So I am asking if there are teachers who have to deal with this
> issue. And how do they teach hand writing to sighted kids. Heather
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:23:23 -0600
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I no print letters but I cant write in a straight line on the board. But I
can use raised lined paper. I am not discouraged but the folks at the
school seem to not want to work with me out of ignorance. Heather
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Brandy, you're creative!
Heather, handwriting is a small part of working with young kids of
kindergarten age.
Are you completely blind? Did you learn print? If you learned print as a
kid, this will be helpful. There are raised letters out there and raised
line paper, I think APH has it, so even if you are completely blind, you can
learn the letters.
I ask this because if you do not know how to form print letters I don't see
how you can teach it.
If you do know print, couldn't you just demonstrate it on the blackboard or
white board and have something to keep your writing straight?
As for correcting papers, I think you'd need a reader.
That is a reasonable accomodation. Even without teaching handwriting, there
are many skills you can teach kids.
So suggest other things and I hope you get the job.
You could work with them on reading. They can practice writing and read it
back to you; you can't correct it, but you'd have an idea of what the kids
can write.
Unfortunately, its easy to get discouraged by one thing.
What is your certification in?
I did not go into teaching but thought about it; I decided the elementary ed
program at my school was too much for me; it was difficult to observe
classes, a requirement for the ed classes and I did face many doubts
including from myself.
Still I think its great for those blind people who do go into education.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandy W
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:08 PM
To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nobe-l] working with younger kids
I teach handwriting in lots of ways. We write in play dough, we write in wet
sand, we use a pen on paper on a pile of news paper or rubber board, we work
on hand strength and memorizing the steps to writing the letter, we use hand
writing practice pages that I have a reader look at later. It isn't easy,
but it can be done. Sometimes I would work with the group doing fine motor
activities why the teacher worked with the kids on the actual paper writing.
She has more problems than handwriting I can promise you.
"Play is to early childhood what gas is to a car," as it's "the very fuel of
every intellectual activity that our children engage in."
Brandy Wojcik Discovery Toys Educational Consultant and Team leader
(512) 689-5045
www.playtoachieve.com<http://www.playtoachieve.com/>
Follow me on Face Book at
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:37:35 -0500
From: "Lori" <Lori at asmodean.net<mailto:Lori at asmodean.net>>
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A screen board will provide tactile feedback and not require students to use
anything special.
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>I no print letters but I cant write in a straight line on the board. But I
> can use raised lined paper. I am not discouraged but the folks at the
> school seem to not want to work with me out of ignorance. Heather
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:09 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] working with younger kids
>
> Brandy, you're creative!
> Heather, handwriting is a small part of working with young kids of
> kindergarten age.
> Are you completely blind? Did you learn print? If you learned print as a
> kid, this will be helpful. There are raised letters out there and raised
> line paper, I think APH has it, so even if you are completely blind, you
> can
>
> learn the letters.
> I ask this because if you do not know how to form print letters I don't
> see
> how you can teach it.
> If you do know print, couldn't you just demonstrate it on the blackboard
> or
> white board and have something to keep your writing straight?
> As for correcting papers, I think you'd need a reader.
> That is a reasonable accomodation. Even without teaching handwriting,
> there
>
> are many skills you can teach kids.
> So suggest other things and I hope you get the job.
> You could work with them on reading. They can practice writing and read it
> back to you; you can't correct it, but you'd have an idea of what the kids
> can write.
> Unfortunately, its easy to get discouraged by one thing.
>
> What is your certification in?
> I did not go into teaching but thought about it; I decided the elementary
> ed
>
> program at my school was too much for me; it was difficult to observe
> classes, a requirement for the ed classes and I did face many doubts
> including from myself.
> Still I think its great for those blind people who do go into education.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandy W
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:08 PM
> To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] working with younger kids
>
> I teach handwriting in lots of ways. We write in play dough, we write in
> wet
> sand, we use a pen on paper on a pile of news paper or rubber board, we
> work
> on hand strength and memorizing the steps to writing the letter, we use
> hand
> writing practice pages that I have a reader look at later. It isn't easy,
> but it can be done. Sometimes I would work with the group doing fine motor
> activities why the teacher worked with the kids on the actual paper
> writing.
> She has more problems than handwriting I can promise you.
>
> "Play is to early childhood what gas is to a car," as it's "the very fuel
> of
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:40:15 -0600
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Yes, I saw that, I will have to check out. I had that when I was in school,
think I gave it away back to another person.
I have read in my teaching classes that, schools are not focusing on cursive
writing anymore. They are stressing on the ability to print and type now.
I am not sure if this is true everywhere. I don't know if this is a change
do to technology or what! But almost all my kids I watch do all there
homework on a computer even in first grade. I know not all schools are like
this but, more and more students seem to prefer the computer over the old
style of handwriting. I see this growing trend as both positive and
negative. In the future, noone will have to worry about reading one's
writing but, if you cant print because all you do is on the computer, what
happens if your ability to get to a computer fails, how do you communicate?
I took a science and technology class back a few years ago that asked that
very question as we trend towards a paperless society. Heather
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:26:17 -0600
From: "Brandy W" <branlw at sbcglobal.net<mailto:branlw at sbcglobal.net>>
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I did have to learn how to properly form letters. Before I made this a goal
I drew the letters, but for teaching one must know what letters start at
what point on the line and which ones needed to go back over a line etc. It
was fun, and since I'm quite visual it came naturally to me. In my 7 years
getting my degree I never had an aid or anything. If my peers didn't get it
I didn't ask for it. I did higher readers outside of the school, and
sometimes to come in my classrooms during my planning period and such. I
could be wrong, but I think their problem is with her being able to teach
the actual penmanship, not the content. It is kinder they only write a few
sentences at most by the end of the year.
Bran
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Brandy, you're creative!
Heather, handwriting is a small part of working with young kids of
kindergarten age.
Are you completely blind? Did you learn print? If you learned print as a
kid, this will be helpful. There are raised letters out there and raised
line paper, I think APH has it, so even if you are completely blind, you can
learn the letters.
I ask this because if you do not know how to form print letters I don't see
how you can teach it.
If you do know print, couldn't you just demonstrate it on the blackboard or
white board and have something to keep your writing straight?
As for correcting papers, I think you'd need a reader.
That is a reasonable accomodation. Even without teaching handwriting, there
are many skills you can teach kids.
So suggest other things and I hope you get the job.
You could work with them on reading. They can practice writing and read it
back to you; you can't correct it, but you'd have an idea of what the kids
can write.
Unfortunately, its easy to get discouraged by one thing.
What is your certification in?
I did not go into teaching but thought about it; I decided the elementary ed
program at my school was too much for me; it was difficult to observe
classes, a requirement for the ed classes and I did face many doubts
including from myself.
Still I think its great for those blind people who do go into education.
Ashley
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From: Brandy W
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:08 PM
To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nobe-l] working with younger kids
I teach handwriting in lots of ways. We write in play dough, we write in wet
sand, we use a pen on paper on a pile of news paper or rubber board, we work
on hand strength and memorizing the steps to writing the letter, we use hand
writing practice pages that I have a reader look at later. It isn't easy,
but it can be done. Sometimes I would work with the group doing fine motor
activities why the teacher worked with the kids on the actual paper writing.
She has more problems than handwriting I can promise you.
"Play is to early childhood what gas is to a car," as it's "the very fuel of
every intellectual activity that our children engage in."
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Hello, I applied to work with kindergarten kids part time as I complete my
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because I cant teach hand writing skills or correct their papers because I
am blind. So I am asking if there are teachers who have to deal with this
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:43:41 -0600
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I used to use sticky notes to mark my place on the board. I would just move
it as I wrote and it worked. Then I would sometimes braille on them to
remember what I wrote where so I could point things out. It worked pretty
well. When I used smaller boards that were magnetic I would use magnets and
brailed index cards. I also sectioned off one part of the white board and
used some super skinny tape to make me a lined template.
Bran
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every intellectual activity that our children engage in."
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I no print letters but I cant write in a straight line on the board. But I
can use raised lined paper. I am not discouraged but the folks at the
school seem to not want to work with me out of ignorance. Heather
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Brandy, you're creative!
Heather, handwriting is a small part of working with young kids of
kindergarten age.
Are you completely blind? Did you learn print? If you learned print as a
kid, this will be helpful. There are raised letters out there and raised
line paper, I think APH has it, so even if you are completely blind, you can
learn the letters.
I ask this because if you do not know how to form print letters I don't see
how you can teach it.
If you do know print, couldn't you just demonstrate it on the blackboard or
white board and have something to keep your writing straight?
As for correcting papers, I think you'd need a reader.
That is a reasonable accomodation. Even without teaching handwriting, there
are many skills you can teach kids.
So suggest other things and I hope you get the job.
You could work with them on reading. They can practice writing and read it
back to you; you can't correct it, but you'd have an idea of what the kids
can write.
Unfortunately, its easy to get discouraged by one thing.
What is your certification in?
I did not go into teaching but thought about it; I decided the elementary ed
program at my school was too much for me; it was difficult to observe
classes, a requirement for the ed classes and I did face many doubts
including from myself.
Still I think its great for those blind people who do go into education.
Ashley
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From: Brandy W
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:08 PM
To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nobe-l] working with younger kids
I teach handwriting in lots of ways. We write in play dough, we write in wet
sand, we use a pen on paper on a pile of news paper or rubber board, we work
on hand strength and memorizing the steps to writing the letter, we use hand
writing practice pages that I have a reader look at later. It isn't easy,
but it can be done. Sometimes I would work with the group doing fine motor
activities why the teacher worked with the kids on the actual paper writing.
She has more problems than handwriting I can promise you.
"Play is to early childhood what gas is to a car," as it's "the very fuel of
every intellectual activity that our children engage in."
Brandy Wojcik Discovery Toys Educational Consultant and Team leader
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Hello, I applied to work with kindergarten kids part time as I complete my
certification. The person I was talking to said I would not be a good fit
because I cant teach hand writing skills or correct their papers because I
am blind. So I am asking if there are teachers who have to deal with this
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:50:13 -0600
From: "Heather" <kd5cbl at gmail.com<mailto:kd5cbl at gmail.com>>
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I gave the suggestion that we used pens that when the kids write, I could
feel the writing to see if they got the letters correctly. Because, I won't
have a teachers aid in the class that was my solution to teaching them how
to write letters. I think you have to no the letters before you can do
cursive writing anyways! Is this a good solution or am I way off base!
Heather
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I used to use sticky notes to mark my place on the board. I would just move
it as I wrote and it worked. Then I would sometimes braille on them to
remember what I wrote where so I could point things out. It worked pretty
well. When I used smaller boards that were magnetic I would use magnets and
brailed index cards. I also sectioned off one part of the white board and
used some super skinny tape to make me a lined template.
Bran
"Play is to early childhood what gas is to a car," as it's "the very fuel of
every intellectual activity that our children engage in."
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I no print letters but I cant write in a straight line on the board. But I
can use raised lined paper. I am not discouraged but the folks at the
school seem to not want to work with me out of ignorance. Heather
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Brandy, you're creative!
Heather, handwriting is a small part of working with young kids of
kindergarten age.
Are you completely blind? Did you learn print? If you learned print as a
kid, this will be helpful. There are raised letters out there and raised
line paper, I think APH has it, so even if you are completely blind, you can
learn the letters.
I ask this because if you do not know how to form print letters I don't see
how you can teach it.
If you do know print, couldn't you just demonstrate it on the blackboard or
white board and have something to keep your writing straight?
As for correcting papers, I think you'd need a reader.
That is a reasonable accomodation. Even without teaching handwriting, there
are many skills you can teach kids.
So suggest other things and I hope you get the job.
You could work with them on reading. They can practice writing and read it
back to you; you can't correct it, but you'd have an idea of what the kids
can write.
Unfortunately, its easy to get discouraged by one thing.
What is your certification in?
I did not go into teaching but thought about it; I decided the elementary ed
program at my school was too much for me; it was difficult to observe
classes, a requirement for the ed classes and I did face many doubts
including from myself.
Still I think its great for those blind people who do go into education.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandy W
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:08 PM
To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nobe-l] working with younger kids
I teach handwriting in lots of ways. We write in play dough, we write in wet
sand, we use a pen on paper on a pile of news paper or rubber board, we work
on hand strength and memorizing the steps to writing the letter, we use hand
writing practice pages that I have a reader look at later. It isn't easy,
but it can be done. Sometimes I would work with the group doing fine motor
activities why the teacher worked with the kids on the actual paper writing.
She has more problems than handwriting I can promise you.
"Play is to early childhood what gas is to a car," as it's "the very fuel of
every intellectual activity that our children engage in."
Brandy Wojcik Discovery Toys Educational Consultant and Team leader
(512) 689-5045
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:08:27 -0600
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Mechanical pencils are probably better and then just have them write on a
pile of news paper, screen or a rubber board. Pens and kinder aren't a good
mix, but you are on track. They only print in kinder so no worries on that
one. You do need to know how to properly form the printed letters.
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I gave the suggestion that we used pens that when the kids write, I could
feel the writing to see if they got the letters correctly. Because, I won't
have a teachers aid in the class that was my solution to teaching them how
to write letters. I think you have to no the letters before you can do
cursive writing anyways! Is this a good solution or am I way off base!
Heather
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I used to use sticky notes to mark my place on the board. I would just move
it as I wrote and it worked. Then I would sometimes braille on them to
remember what I wrote where so I could point things out. It worked pretty
well. When I used smaller boards that were magnetic I would use magnets and
brailed index cards. I also sectioned off one part of the white board and
used some super skinny tape to make me a lined template.
Bran
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I no print letters but I cant write in a straight line on the board. But I
can use raised lined paper. I am not discouraged but the folks at the
school seem to not want to work with me out of ignorance. Heather
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Brandy, you're creative!
Heather, handwriting is a small part of working with young kids of
kindergarten age.
Are you completely blind? Did you learn print? If you learned print as a
kid, this will be helpful. There are raised letters out there and raised
line paper, I think APH has it, so even if you are completely blind, you can
learn the letters.
I ask this because if you do not know how to form print letters I don't see
how you can teach it.
If you do know print, couldn't you just demonstrate it on the blackboard or
white board and have something to keep your writing straight?
As for correcting papers, I think you'd need a reader.
That is a reasonable accomodation. Even without teaching handwriting, there
are many skills you can teach kids.
So suggest other things and I hope you get the job.
You could work with them on reading. They can practice writing and read it
back to you; you can't correct it, but you'd have an idea of what the kids
can write.
Unfortunately, its easy to get discouraged by one thing.
What is your certification in?
I did not go into teaching but thought about it; I decided the elementary ed
program at my school was too much for me; it was difficult to observe
classes, a requirement for the ed classes and I did face many doubts
including from myself.
Still I think its great for those blind people who do go into education.
Ashley
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I teach handwriting in lots of ways. We write in play dough, we write in wet
sand, we use a pen on paper on a pile of news paper or rubber board, we work
on hand strength and memorizing the steps to writing the letter, we use hand
writing practice pages that I have a reader look at later. It isn't easy,
but it can be done. Sometimes I would work with the group doing fine motor
activities why the teacher worked with the kids on the actual paper writing.
She has more problems than handwriting I can promise you.
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every intellectual activity that our children engage in."
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Hello, I applied to work with kindergarten kids part time as I complete my
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am blind. So I am asking if there are teachers who have to deal with this
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I'm thinking of a full size paper writing guide that used strings and slider
beads to mark places. It seems to me it might be something to make for
chalkboard size and afix it to the frame of the board if an extensive amount
of writing needed to be done. Sorry I can't recall the name of it right now.
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>I used to use sticky notes to mark my place on the board. I would just move
> it as I wrote and it worked. Then I would sometimes braille on them to
> remember what I wrote where so I could point things out. It worked pretty
> well. When I used smaller boards that were magnetic I would use magnets
> and
> brailed index cards. I also sectioned off one part of the white board and
> used some super skinny tape to make me a lined template.
>
> Bran
>
> "Play is to early childhood what gas is to a car," as it's "the very fuel
> of
> every intellectual activity that our children engage in."
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> (512) 689-5045
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> Behalf
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> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 7:23 PM
> To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] working with younger kids
>
> I no print letters but I cant write in a straight line on the board. But
> I
> can use raised lined paper. I am not discouraged but the folks at the
> school seem to not want to work with me out of ignorance. Heather
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
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> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:09 PM
> To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] working with younger kids
>
> Brandy, you're creative!
> Heather, handwriting is a small part of working with young kids of
> kindergarten age.
> Are you completely blind? Did you learn print? If you learned print as a
> kid, this will be helpful. There are raised letters out there and raised
> line paper, I think APH has it, so even if you are completely blind, you
> can
>
> learn the letters.
> I ask this because if you do not know how to form print letters I don't
> see
> how you can teach it.
> If you do know print, couldn't you just demonstrate it on the blackboard
> or
> white board and have something to keep your writing straight?
> As for correcting papers, I think you'd need a reader.
> That is a reasonable accomodation. Even without teaching handwriting,
> there
>
> are many skills you can teach kids.
> So suggest other things and I hope you get the job.
> You could work with them on reading. They can practice writing and read it
> back to you; you can't correct it, but you'd have an idea of what the kids
> can write.
> Unfortunately, its easy to get discouraged by one thing.
>
> What is your certification in?
> I did not go into teaching but thought about it; I decided the elementary
> ed
>
> program at my school was too much for me; it was difficult to observe
> classes, a requirement for the ed classes and I did face many doubts
> including from myself.
> Still I think its great for those blind people who do go into education.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandy W
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:08 PM
> To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] working with younger kids
>
> I teach handwriting in lots of ways. We write in play dough, we write in
> wet
> sand, we use a pen on paper on a pile of news paper or rubber board, we
> work
> on hand strength and memorizing the steps to writing the letter, we use
> hand
> writing practice pages that I have a reader look at later. It isn't easy,
> but it can be done. Sometimes I would work with the group doing fine motor
> activities why the teacher worked with the kids on the actual paper
> writing.
> She has more problems than handwriting I can promise you.
>
> "Play is to early childhood what gas is to a car," as it's "the very fuel
> of
> every intellectual activity that our children engage in."
> Brandy Wojcik Discovery Toys Educational Consultant and Team leader
> (512) 689-5045
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> Subject: [nobe-l] working with younger kids
>
> Hello, I applied to work with kindergarten kids part time as I complete my
> certification. The person I was talking to said I would not be a good fit
> because I cant teach hand writing skills or correct their papers because I
> am blind. So I am asking if there are teachers who have to deal with this
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