[nobe-l] [nobe-l independence was lesson plan presentation

Fri Nov 16 11:47:50 UTC 2012

Well said, Anita.  I spoke with someone on this list and got some ideas for
doing what I need to a little differently than what I was doing them.  I
have to tweek some things a bit, but I will let you all know after Tuesday
what I did and how it all turned out.
Incendentally, I would like to refer you all back to the speech "The Nature
of Independence" given at the Dallas convention in 1993 by Dr. Kenneth
Jernigan.  It helped me to go back and listen to that speech.

-----Original Message-----
From: nobe-l [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anita Adkins
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:29 PM
To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nobe-l] [nobe-l independence was lesson plan presentation

Hello,

Here is my opinion for what it is worth. Smile. There is no one alive who is
completely independent, no matter their challenges or talents. We all depend
on others, and even the blind must do the same. So, with that said, an
independent teacher does not exist, sighted or blind. Interdependence where
teachers, and regular citizens, rely on each other is really what makes for
efficiency and effectiveness. In saying that, I believe that the blind are
seen as more on the independence side of the interdependence equation if
they are carrying their fair share of the load of work and teaching about
blindness when appropriate occasions present themselves, meaning most all
the time during a new job and then relaxing to that normal level after
proving their abilities. I point this out because as blind people, and I am
also talking about me, it is sometimes easy to become in the habit of
allowing others to do things for us that we can effectively and efficiently
do for ourselves. The habit, therefore, is what we should beware of. It is
certainly okay to accept assistance from others; sighted people also do it. 
The habit point is reached when we begin doing it too much or when we ask
for help out of fear or lack of confidence. So I agree with Elizabeth in her
earlier email. She has previously demonstrated her capabilities. Her goal in
presenting this lesson plan isn't to teach about blindness, but to present
her lesson plan. There is a time to teach about blindness, and I agree it is
annoying because it seems we always have to do that. Also, I can understand
why we should be more on the independence side because our actions confirm
negative stereotypes, even if we only do them one time. But, living life
means deciding how much of our life we use to teach and correct
misconceptions about blindness and how much of it we decide to live as
"normal" persons since we are a part of normal society. So in a nutshell, it
is ok to ask for assistance, even sometimes just because we are lazy. But
beware of doing this around those who need to know you can successfully and
effectively accomplish whatever goal. So as a teacher, strive for greater
independence than you might at home, for instance. And, if you do decide to
ask for assistance, make sure you also assist the other teacher in some way.

Also, I think it is great to have the students be interactive. They need to
see the blind successfully accomplishing tasks so they develop a positive
philosophy about what the blind can do, but, just like sighted teachers
should do, have them manipulate technology and other aspects during learning
as it helps them to retain information. And, I promise that's where I'll end
for now. Anita

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:16 AM
To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nobe-l] [nobe-l independence was lesson plan presentation

This brings up an interesting question. What does it mean to be an
independent classroom teacher?  Thoughts?

Arthur,
NOBE Board Member

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 15, 2012, at 8:22 AM, "Elizabeth Anderson" 
<e.f.cooks at aggiemail.usu.edu> wrote:

> Hi, Ashley.
>
> You are correct, the PC in the classroom doesn't have JAWS on it and I 
> have been hooking up my own equipment for the last three lessons, an 
> so I think at this point, I have proven my ability to solve the 
> problem of how I myself might present the lesson. Now, I'm trying to 
> concentrate on classroom movement and delivey.  Besides, the 
> presentation time  for the lessons is getting shorter, and it takes 
> almost as much time to set up and load my file as it does to present.
> There are a couple of people on this list who think that they must not 
> rely on anyone under any circumstances, and that kind of mentality is 
> both arrogant and dangerous.  I  think that sometimes you have to 
> concede and realize thet interdependence is necessary sometimes.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobe-l [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley 
> Bramlett
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:07 PM
> To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] lesson plan presentation
>
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I am not studying to teach as I got discouraged from that in my 
> undergrad degree. Which subject do you want to teach? In an increasing 
> multi culture setting, we need foreign languages for our workforce. 
> So, I imagine your classes will be popular.
>
> As to your question, I agree with you. Given you have limited space, 
> time and flexibility in the environment, I think asking someone to 
> turn slides isn't a big deal. As you said, you want to assure that 
> people see you and have a smooth presentation.
> Also, I suppose you do not have jaws on this pc you need to interact 
> with to turn slides.
> I see what people are saying about independence, but I believe we have 
> to be interdependent on people sometimes to let our abilities shine. 
> In this instance, you have a limited time for the presentation; you do 
> not want to worry about the technology or where you are standing in 
> relation to the board. You want to focus on delivering your 
> presentation.
>
> When you teach I'm sure you will be independent by setting up your 
> equipment or finding other means to present rather than a projector. 
> For instance, handouts or transparencies.
>
> Good luck.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elizabeth Anderson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:44 PM
> To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] lesson plan presentation
>
> I'm very glad for you, but this is a classroom setting in which I have 
> no control.  Iam literally stuck in a corner between the desk and the 
> white board.  I am not assured that people can see me, and I think I 
> need to adapt the situation accordingly, don't you think?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobe-l [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandy 
> Wojcik
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:45 PM
> To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] lesson plan presentation
>
> I'm just telling you that 5 minutes or 50 you need to get your degree 
> the same way other people get their degree. I never had an 
> accommodation special to me, and when I graduated I had 2 teaching 
> offers. I was in the school paper, and did many talks for people 
> earlier in the program. One day you will need to do a 5 minute talk in 
> a staff meeting and it wouldn't look good if you couldn't do it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobe-l [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth 
> Anderson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:36 PM
> To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] lesson plan presentation
>
> But the thing is, the presentation is only five minutes long.  I'm not 
> doing an entire lesson, so it's not realistic.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobe-l [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandy 
> Wojcik
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:02 PM
> To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] lesson plan presentation
>
> You need to do the whole thing. If you want people to think you can 
> teach on the same playing field as them you need to do the tech. You 
> are going to have this same problem in the classroom so you should 
> start now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobe-l [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth 
> Anderson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:13 PM
> To: 'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'
> Subject: [nobe-l] lesson plan presentation
>
> Okay, everybody, I have an interesting dilemma, and I want to get an 
> opinion.  I am taking a teaching methods class for teaching a foreign 
> language and each student is tequired to present a lesson plan.not the 
> entire lesson, just about five minutes or so, just giving a summary of 
> the lesson and the activities and that sort ofthing.
>
> As part of the lesson, the class must see on the projector the lesson 
> while the student talks about it.  I have been watching other students 
> move back and forth from the computer as they operate it and then move 
> so the other students can see better and talk.  Do any of you see 
> anything wrong with me having another student operate the computer so 
> that I don't feel so confined when I set up my own technology and so 
> that I have that freedom of movement and so that I am assured that 
> others in the room can see me?
>
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