[NOBE-L] NOBE-L Digest, Vol 222, Issue 3

Rena Tuttle ras98j at acu.edu
Thu Jan 19 15:00:34 UTC 2023 

Chase,

I have found these “requirements” in education and the private sector. Like someone said they are illegal. I worked for a district who had them listed but hired me and were  very accommodating. 

Blessings,
Rena Tuttle 

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> On Jan 19, 2023, at 8:45 AM, Hyde, David W. (ESC) via NOBE-L <nobe-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Unless they can show that this requirement is an essential duty of the job, such a requirement is unlawful. If you are interested in the job, apply anyway. If you get interviewed, you can discuss it with following the interview.
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>   1. Vision requirements on job descriptions (Chase Crispin)
>   2. Re: Vision requirements on job descriptions (Nikki Palm)
>   3. Re: Vision requirements on job descriptions (Jasmine Kotsay)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 19:11:47 -0600
> From: "Chase Crispin" <chase.crispin at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List'"
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> Subject: [NOBE-L] Vision requirements on job descriptions
> Message-ID: <02ea01d92ba3$011e0af0$035a20d0$@gmail.com>
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> Hi all,
> 
> I may be moving out east this summer and am beginning to look at teaching opportunities in the Philadelphia/Wilmington area. I'm in my third year teaching middle school music in Nebraska. I'm looking at a middle school music position in Delaware and see the following written in the job duties:
> "Specific vision abilities required by this job include close vision, distance vision, color vision, peripheral vision, depth perception, and ability to adjust focus."
> 
> 
> 
> I was very surprised to see this. This seems to appear on all public school jobs listed through the Delaware Education Consortium. They do also mention accommodating people with disabilities, but this makes me nervous to apply for jobs in that area.
> 
> 
> 
> Have any of you seen something like this before? Has it been a significant barrier, and if so, how did you work around it? Here is a link to the posting I mentioned.
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applitrack.com%2Fjoindelawareschools%2Fonlineapp%2Fdefault.aspx%3FCatego&data=05%7C01%7Cdavid.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us%7Cc63037121c304295b12a08dafa15f021%7C99feb2c4c40a4932afb5dfa68122d56f%7C1%7C0%7C638097269389350583%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aJwldr8%2FcneRzL6ZOBd8nxJ4OaFl2cM3lIWKp1Jn4cc%3D&reserved=0
> ry=Middle+School
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applitrack.com%2Fjoindelawareschools%2Fonlineapp%2Fdefault.aspx%3FCateg&data=05%7C01%7Cdavid.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us%7Cc63037121c304295b12a08dafa15f021%7C99feb2c4c40a4932afb5dfa68122d56f%7C1%7C0%7C638097269389350583%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sefdc7%2FIyK%2Bv0KU0gGEIMDm%2BgUoey6nrOItGFFefClg%3D&reserved=0
> ory=Middle+School&subcategory=Music+Teacher> &subcategory=Music+Teacher
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for any ideas you may be able to share. My plans are not finalized yet, so I don't know for sure that I will end up in that area, but I want to be prepared as our plans become more finalized.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chase Crispin
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 18:03:01 -0800
> From: Nikki Palm <nikkirae83 at gmail.com>
> To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
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> Subject: Re: [NOBE-L] Vision requirements on job descriptions
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> This is strange and fascinating all at the same time. I have never seen this before.
> 
> Nikki Palm
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 5:12 PM, Chase Crispin via NOBE-L <nobe-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi all,
>> 
>> I may be moving out east this summer and am beginning to look at 
>> teaching opportunities in the Philadelphia/Wilmington area. I'm in my 
>> third year teaching middle school music in Nebraska. I'm looking at a 
>> middle school music position in Delaware and see the following written in the job duties:
>> "Specific vision abilities required by this job include close vision, 
>> distance vision, color vision, peripheral vision, depth perception, 
>> and ability to adjust focus."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I was very surprised to see this. This seems to appear on all public 
>> school jobs listed through the Delaware Education Consortium. They do 
>> also mention accommodating people with disabilities, but this makes me 
>> nervous to apply for jobs in that area.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Have any of you seen something like this before? Has it been a 
>> significant barrier, and if so, how did you work around it? Here is a 
>> link to the posting I mentioned.
>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>> applitrack.com%2Fjoindelawareschools%2Fonlineapp%2Fdefault.aspx%3FCate
>> go&data=05%7C01%7Cdavid.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us%7Cc63037121c304295b12a0
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>> 8nxJ4OaFl2cM3lIWKp1Jn4cc%3D&reserved=0
>> ry=Middle+School
>> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
>> .applitrack.com%2Fjoindelawareschools%2Fonlineapp%2Fdefault.aspx%3FCat
>> eg&data=05%7C01%7Cdavid.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us%7Cc63037121c304295b12a0
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>> ory=Middle+School&subcategory=Music+Teacher> 
>> &subcategory=Music+Teacher
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for any ideas you may be able to share. My plans are not 
>> finalized yet, so I don't know for sure that I will end up in that 
>> area, but I want to be prepared as our plans become more finalized.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chase Crispin
>> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 20:15:20 -0800
> From: Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com>
> To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
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> Subject: Re: [NOBE-L] Vision requirements on job descriptions
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> Hi,
> No, I have not seen this. However, there is a school district closer to my home in California that actually states that a teacher needs to have a valid drivers license. This is outrageous, as are the vision things you listed. It?s not right! Total discrimination! I am both flabbergasted and angered by these descriptions that they are writing on applications!
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:04 PM, Nikki Palm via NOBE-L <nobe-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?This is strange and fascinating all at the same time. I have never seen this before.
>> 
>> Nikki Palm
>> 
>>>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 5:12 PM, Chase Crispin via NOBE-L <nobe-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I may be moving out east this summer and am beginning to look at 
>>> teaching opportunities in the Philadelphia/Wilmington area. I'm in my 
>>> third year teaching middle school music in Nebraska. I'm looking at a 
>>> middle school music position in Delaware and see the following written in the job duties:
>>> "Specific vision abilities required by this job include close vision, 
>>> distance vision, color vision, peripheral vision, depth perception, 
>>> and ability to adjust focus."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I was very surprised to see this. This seems to appear on all public 
>>> school jobs listed through the Delaware Education Consortium. They do 
>>> also mention accommodating people with disabilities, but this makes 
>>> me nervous to apply for jobs in that area.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have any of you seen something like this before? Has it been a 
>>> significant barrier, and if so, how did you work around it? Here is a 
>>> link to the posting I mentioned.
>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
>>> .applitrack.com%2Fjoindelawareschools%2Fonlineapp%2Fdefault.aspx%3FCa
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any ideas you may be able to share. My plans are not 
>>> finalized yet, so I don't know for sure that I will end up in that 
>>> area, but I want to be prepared as our plans become more finalized.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chase Crispin
>>> 
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