[Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list

Mon Nov 24 01:07:50 UTC 2008

I will let you know what happened. Jeanine Stanley had recently posted this 
past week about  a GDUI advocacy link, Marion a few weeks about had put on 
the list about the FLAGDU PSA which is on youtube.  Which was never posted. 
In the past the school has posted about other GDUI things and never put 
anything about ours. So I posted ours as well as the NAGDU page.  It is 
really childish.  When she posts things about GDUI which she has e-mailed me 
saying that she never gets anything officially from NAGDU, she is on our 
list, GDF comes to our convention. At convention I had run for V.P. which I 
am surprised came out of my mouth which I wanted to do was run for Board 
Member, but one of the issues Michael Hingson and I have is to have the 
guide dog school be accountable for there actions, of course GDF is going to 
take the defense.  No guide dog school is going  to admit anything for or 
against either us or GDUI, I was stressing an issue that I had and my own 
opinion. I am not going to apologize or defend myself either.

Margo, with all respect to you and our great organization.  GDF not only has 
there trekker training rep who is the long island chapter president of the 
ACB working for them, to which J Evans and I like each other and respect 
each other, but one of my one time friends we still speak but because she is 
also a member of ACB we cannot have a resonable conversation, so we agreed 
not to speak is there number one spokesperson who works with Lions Groups, 
etc.  This is not a power struggle, I really don't care in that respect, but 
what I do care about is that and I have heard it and lived it, the 
negativity at GDF about NFB or NAGDU. Brad Greenspan who is our V.P. here 
long island who has been around longer than myself, never had a dog, support 
NAGDU and has recently again has come to the NYAGDU list, he reads 
everything and comes to the board meetings every month and mutes his phone 
and listens. He is also a part of the Lions and has had issues in the past 
and currently with GDF. That is all I am saying in the matter.

Again, like I have said they will take the defense because they have to.

I am  running all over the place with this. the talk list is for the Grads 
of the list the school doesn't run the list.  But my point I was trying to 
show is that whether it be Barrie who is no longer there or Jeanine who is 
there since I have never heard either one of them post anything about NAGDU. 
So when I came back to the list a few months ago after being sick of the 
garbage and went back only because I wanted to bring the positive of NAGDU 
and get members and to show what NAGDU and NYAGDU is doing better than 
before.

I don't care if I have to defend myself to them, which I don't I post that 
if someone wants to discuss things further to post to me off list.  I am 
proud to post NAGDU stuff and will continue to do so.

What we do will not always make us popular, but it will educate others.

Cheryl Echevarria
Treasurer
National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list

> Cheryl, is there stuff about ACB on the GDF list or just g d u i.  I can
> sort of see not putting stuff on there about things that are not
> dog-related.  Marion and I might want to address this with
> gGDF perhaps.
>
> In other words, it also depends on how the item ou're placing there is
> worded.  It also depends on the bias of the list. There are all kinds of
> reasons for this.
>
> Cheryl could you send me an example of something you placed on that list
> that wasn' received very well?  Thanks.
>
> margo and Elmo
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:20 PM
> Subject: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>
>
> > As some of you know I got my guide dog from GDF.  And when I put stuff 
> > on
> > the grad list about NAGDU or NFB.  I get my head cut off, like I should
> > keep my political opinions to myself and this stuff has nothing to do 
> > with
> > guide dogs, hello we are NAGDU.  But when Jeanine puts things on the 
> > list
> > about PSA's other than ours to the Grad list, no one says anything.
> >
> > Either a school should be for both or not say anything.
> >
> > I put because I don't work for the school. I own my dog not the school,
> > and if the school holds it again me for speaking my mind, then they are
> > wrong.
> >
> > I might also say that the President of the the Long Island ACB was doing
> > the Trekker Training for GDF. I am not sure if he is still doing this.
> >
> > There are other issues going on there as well.  I know that no school is
> > perfect, but there are issues we should mention if there are and not 
> > what
> > side of the fence the decide to be on.
> >
> > my gripe for the night.
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > Treasurer
> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.
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