[Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list

Mon Nov 24 03:05:47 UTC 2008

Cheryl, did you ask why your post didn't post?

margo and Elmo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list

>I will let you know what happened. Jeanine Stanley had recently posted this 
>past week about  a GDUI advocacy link, Marion a few weeks about had put on 
>the list about the FLAGDU PSA which is on youtube.  Which was never posted. 
>In the past the school has posted about other GDUI things and never put 
>anything about ours. So I posted ours as well as the NAGDU page.  It is 
>really childish.  When she posts things about GDUI which she has e-mailed 
>me saying that she never gets anything officially from NAGDU, she is on our 
>list, GDF comes to our convention. At convention I had run for V.P. which I 
>am surprised came out of my mouth which I wanted to do was run for Board 
>Member, but one of the issues Michael Hingson and I have is to have the 
>guide dog school be accountable for there actions, of course GDF is going 
>to take the defense.  No guide dog school is going  to admit anything for 
>or against either us or GDUI, I was stressing an issue that I had and my 
>own opinion. I am not going to apologize or defend myself either.
>
> Margo, with all respect to you and our great organization.  GDF not only 
> has there trekker training rep who is the long island chapter president of 
> the ACB working for them, to which J Evans and I like each other and 
> respect each other, but one of my one time friends we still speak but 
> because she is also a member of ACB we cannot have a resonable 
> conversation, so we agreed not to speak is there number one spokesperson 
> who works with Lions Groups, etc.  This is not a power struggle, I really 
> don't care in that respect, but what I do care about is that and I have 
> heard it and lived it, the negativity at GDF about NFB or NAGDU. Brad 
> Greenspan who is our V.P. here long island who has been around longer than 
> myself, never had a dog, support NAGDU and has recently again has come to 
> the NYAGDU list, he reads everything and comes to the board meetings every 
> month and mutes his phone and listens. He is also a part of the Lions and 
> has had issues in the past and currently with GDF. That is all I am saying 
> in the matter.
>
> Again, like I have said they will take the defense because they have to.
>
> I am  running all over the place with this. the talk list is for the Grads 
> of the list the school doesn't run the list.  But my point I was trying to 
> show is that whether it be Barrie who is no longer there or Jeanine who is 
> there since I have never heard either one of them post anything about 
> NAGDU. So when I came back to the list a few months ago after being sick 
> of the garbage and went back only because I wanted to bring the positive 
> of NAGDU and get members and to show what NAGDU and NYAGDU is doing better 
> than before.
>
> I don't care if I have to defend myself to them, which I don't I post that 
> if someone wants to discuss things further to post to me off list.  I am 
> proud to post NAGDU stuff and will continue to do so.
>
> What we do will not always make us popular, but it will educate others.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Treasurer
> National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>
>
>> Cheryl, is there stuff about ACB on the GDF list or just g d u i.  I can
>> sort of see not putting stuff on there about things that are not
>> dog-related.  Marion and I might want to address this with
>> gGDF perhaps.
>>
>> In other words, it also depends on how the item ou're placing there is
>> worded.  It also depends on the bias of the list. There are all kinds of
>> reasons for this.
>>
>> Cheryl could you send me an example of something you placed on that list
>> that wasn' received very well?  Thanks.
>>
>> margo and Elmo
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:20 PM
>> Subject: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>>
>>
>> > As some of you know I got my guide dog from GDF.  And when I put stuff 
>> > on
>> > the grad list about NAGDU or NFB.  I get my head cut off, like I should
>> > keep my political opinions to myself and this stuff has nothing to do 
>> > with
>> > guide dogs, hello we are NAGDU.  But when Jeanine puts things on the 
>> > list
>> > about PSA's other than ours to the Grad list, no one says anything.
>> >
>> > Either a school should be for both or not say anything.
>> >
>> > I put because I don't work for the school. I own my dog not the school,
>> > and if the school holds it again me for speaking my mind, then they are
>> > wrong.
>> >
>> > I might also say that the President of the the Long Island ACB was 
>> > doing
>> > the Trekker Training for GDF. I am not sure if he is still doing this.
>> >
>> > There are other issues going on there as well.  I know that no school 
>> > is
>> > perfect, but there are issues we should mention if there are and not 
>> > what
>> > side of the fence the decide to be on.
>> >
>> > my gripe for the night.
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheryl Echevarria
>> > Treasurer
>> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.
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