[Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list

Margo and Elmo margo.downey at verizon.net
Mon Nov 24 12:30:49 UTC 2008 

so, the post was posted but people wrote you off list about it or on list. 
if off list, there's not much the moderatrors can do. On list, then you can 
talk with them.

Margoa nd Elmo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list


> my post was posted
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Treasurer
> National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>
>
>> Cheryl, did you ask why your post didn't post?
>>
>> margo and Elmo
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>>
>>
>> >I will let you know what happened. Jeanine Stanley had recently posted 
>> >this
>> >past week about  a GDUI advocacy link, Marion a few weeks about had put 
>> >on
>> >the list about the FLAGDU PSA which is on youtube.  Which was never 
>> >posted.
>> >In the past the school has posted about other GDUI things and never put
>> >anything about ours. So I posted ours as well as the NAGDU page.  It is
>> >really childish.  When she posts things about GDUI which she has 
>> >e-mailed
>> >me saying that she never gets anything officially from NAGDU, she is on 
>> >our
>> >list, GDF comes to our convention. At convention I had run for V.P. 
>> >which I
>> >am surprised came out of my mouth which I wanted to do was run for Board
>> >Member, but one of the issues Michael Hingson and I have is to have the
>> >guide dog school be accountable for there actions, of course GDF is 
>> >going
>> >to take the defense.  No guide dog school is going  to admit anything 
>> >for
>> >or against either us or GDUI, I was stressing an issue that I had and my
>> >own opinion. I am not going to apologize or defend myself either.
>> >
>> > Margo, with all respect to you and our great organization.  GDF not 
>> > only
>> > has there trekker training rep who is the long island chapter president 
>> > of
>> > the ACB working for them, to which J Evans and I like each other and
>> > respect each other, but one of my one time friends we still speak but
>> > because she is also a member of ACB we cannot have a resonable
>> > conversation, so we agreed not to speak is there number one 
>> > spokesperson
>> > who works with Lions Groups, etc.  This is not a power struggle, I 
>> > really
>> > don't care in that respect, but what I do care about is that and I have
>> > heard it and lived it, the negativity at GDF about NFB or NAGDU. Brad
>> > Greenspan who is our V.P. here long island who has been around longer 
>> > than
>> > myself, never had a dog, support NAGDU and has recently again has come 
>> > to
>> > the NYAGDU list, he reads everything and comes to the board meetings 
>> > every
>> > month and mutes his phone and listens. He is also a part of the Lions 
>> > and
>> > has had issues in the past and currently with GDF. That is all I am 
>> > saying
>> > in the matter.
>> >
>> > Again, like I have said they will take the defense because they have 
>> > to.
>> >
>> > I am  running all over the place with this. the talk list is for the 
>> > Grads
>> > of the list the school doesn't run the list.  But my point I was trying 
>> > to
>> > show is that whether it be Barrie who is no longer there or Jeanine who 
>> > is
>> > there since I have never heard either one of them post anything about
>> > NAGDU. So when I came back to the list a few months ago after being 
>> > sick
>> > of the garbage and went back only because I wanted to bring the 
>> > positive
>> > of NAGDU and get members and to show what NAGDU and NYAGDU is doing 
>> > better
>> > than before.
>> >
>> > I don't care if I have to defend myself to them, which I don't I post 
>> > that
>> > if someone wants to discuss things further to post to me off list.  I 
>> > am
>> > proud to post NAGDU stuff and will continue to do so.
>> >
>> > What we do will not always make us popular, but it will educate others.
>> >
>> > Cheryl Echevarria
>> > Treasurer
>> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>> > To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:20 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>> >
>> >
>> >> Cheryl, is there stuff about ACB on the GDF list or just g d u i.  I 
>> >> can
>> >> sort of see not putting stuff on there about things that are not
>> >> dog-related.  Marion and I might want to address this with
>> >> gGDF perhaps.
>> >>
>> >> In other words, it also depends on how the item ou're placing there is
>> >> worded.  It also depends on the bias of the list. There are all kinds 
>> >> of
>> >> reasons for this.
>> >>
>> >> Cheryl could you send me an example of something you placed on that 
>> >> list
>> >> that wasn' received very well?  Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> margo and Elmo
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> >> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Cc: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:20 PM
>> >> Subject: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > As some of you know I got my guide dog from GDF.  And when I put 
>> >> > stuff
>> >> > on
>> >> > the grad list about NAGDU or NFB.  I get my head cut off, like I 
>> >> > should
>> >> > keep my political opinions to myself and this stuff has nothing to 
>> >> > do
>> >> > with
>> >> > guide dogs, hello we are NAGDU.  But when Jeanine puts things on the
>> >> > list
>> >> > about PSA's other than ours to the Grad list, no one says anything.
>> >> >
>> >> > Either a school should be for both or not say anything.
>> >> >
>> >> > I put because I don't work for the school. I own my dog not the 
>> >> > school,
>> >> > and if the school holds it again me for speaking my mind, then they 
>> >> > are
>> >> > wrong.
>> >> >
>> >> > I might also say that the President of the the Long Island ACB was
>> >> > doing
>> >> > the Trekker Training for GDF. I am not sure if he is still doing 
>> >> > this.
>> >> >
>> >> > There are other issues going on there as well.  I know that no 
>> >> > school
>> >> > is
>> >> > perfect, but there are issues we should mention if there are and not
>> >> > what
>> >> > side of the fence the decide to be on.
>> >> >
>> >> > my gripe for the night.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheryl Echevarria
>> >> > Treasurer
>> >> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.
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