[Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list

Mon Nov 24 03:08:53 UTC 2008

my post was posted

Cheryl Echevarria
Treasurer
National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list

> Cheryl, did you ask why your post didn't post?
>
> margo and Elmo
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>
>
> >I will let you know what happened. Jeanine Stanley had recently posted 
> >this
> >past week about  a GDUI advocacy link, Marion a few weeks about had put 
> >on
> >the list about the FLAGDU PSA which is on youtube.  Which was never 
> >posted.
> >In the past the school has posted about other GDUI things and never put
> >anything about ours. So I posted ours as well as the NAGDU page.  It is
> >really childish.  When she posts things about GDUI which she has e-mailed
> >me saying that she never gets anything officially from NAGDU, she is on 
> >our
> >list, GDF comes to our convention. At convention I had run for V.P. which 
> >I
> >am surprised came out of my mouth which I wanted to do was run for Board
> >Member, but one of the issues Michael Hingson and I have is to have the
> >guide dog school be accountable for there actions, of course GDF is going
> >to take the defense.  No guide dog school is going  to admit anything for
> >or against either us or GDUI, I was stressing an issue that I had and my
> >own opinion. I am not going to apologize or defend myself either.
> >
> > Margo, with all respect to you and our great organization.  GDF not only
> > has there trekker training rep who is the long island chapter president 
> > of
> > the ACB working for them, to which J Evans and I like each other and
> > respect each other, but one of my one time friends we still speak but
> > because she is also a member of ACB we cannot have a resonable
> > conversation, so we agreed not to speak is there number one spokesperson
> > who works with Lions Groups, etc.  This is not a power struggle, I 
> > really
> > don't care in that respect, but what I do care about is that and I have
> > heard it and lived it, the negativity at GDF about NFB or NAGDU. Brad
> > Greenspan who is our V.P. here long island who has been around longer 
> > than
> > myself, never had a dog, support NAGDU and has recently again has come 
> > to
> > the NYAGDU list, he reads everything and comes to the board meetings 
> > every
> > month and mutes his phone and listens. He is also a part of the Lions 
> > and
> > has had issues in the past and currently with GDF. That is all I am 
> > saying
> > in the matter.
> >
> > Again, like I have said they will take the defense because they have to.
> >
> > I am  running all over the place with this. the talk list is for the 
> > Grads
> > of the list the school doesn't run the list.  But my point I was trying 
> > to
> > show is that whether it be Barrie who is no longer there or Jeanine who 
> > is
> > there since I have never heard either one of them post anything about
> > NAGDU. So when I came back to the list a few months ago after being sick
> > of the garbage and went back only because I wanted to bring the positive
> > of NAGDU and get members and to show what NAGDU and NYAGDU is doing 
> > better
> > than before.
> >
> > I don't care if I have to defend myself to them, which I don't I post 
> > that
> > if someone wants to discuss things further to post to me off list.  I am
> > proud to post NAGDU stuff and will continue to do so.
> >
> > What we do will not always make us popular, but it will educate others.
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > Treasurer
> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> > To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
> >
> >
> >> Cheryl, is there stuff about ACB on the GDF list or just g d u i.  I 
> >> can
> >> sort of see not putting stuff on there about things that are not
> >> dog-related.  Marion and I might want to address this with
> >> gGDF perhaps.
> >>
> >> In other words, it also depends on how the item ou're placing there is
> >> worded.  It also depends on the bias of the list. There are all kinds 
> >> of
> >> reasons for this.
> >>
> >> Cheryl could you send me an example of something you placed on that 
> >> list
> >> that wasn' received very well?  Thanks.
> >>
> >> margo and Elmo
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> >> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:20 PM
> >> Subject: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
> >>
> >>
> >> > As some of you know I got my guide dog from GDF.  And when I put 
> >> > stuff
> >> > on
> >> > the grad list about NAGDU or NFB.  I get my head cut off, like I 
> >> > should
> >> > keep my political opinions to myself and this stuff has nothing to do
> >> > with
> >> > guide dogs, hello we are NAGDU.  But when Jeanine puts things on the
> >> > list
> >> > about PSA's other than ours to the Grad list, no one says anything.
> >> >
> >> > Either a school should be for both or not say anything.
> >> >
> >> > I put because I don't work for the school. I own my dog not the 
> >> > school,
> >> > and if the school holds it again me for speaking my mind, then they 
> >> > are
> >> > wrong.
> >> >
> >> > I might also say that the President of the the Long Island ACB was
> >> > doing
> >> > the Trekker Training for GDF. I am not sure if he is still doing 
> >> > this.
> >> >
> >> > There are other issues going on there as well.  I know that no school
> >> > is
> >> > perfect, but there are issues we should mention if there are and not
> >> > what
> >> > side of the fence the decide to be on.
> >> >
> >> > my gripe for the night.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheryl Echevarria
> >> > Treasurer
> >> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.
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