[Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list

Margo and Elmo margo.downey at verizon.net
Tue Nov 25 02:52:41 UTC 2008 

Okay, well, I do think that there could be a bias within the schools even if 
they try not to have one.  I think we need to--all of us need to--make sure 
our schools give us equal time and web space and email space and all that.

Margo andElmo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list


>
> Margo, I am not concerned with my postings. I can handle that my concerns 
> are that Jeanine is the rep she is also on the NAGDU talk list.  She puts 
> things on the list about TOP DOG, GDUI stuff but never our stuff. I am 
> upset taht she doesn't I have only recently started to do this, prior to 
> this Barrie and the others never put things about NAGDU at all.
>
> My other concern as I mentioned the GDF and some other schools which I 
> mentioned this at national convention and I have had a few phone 
> conversations with Mike Hingson about my concerns with any guide dog 
> school favoring one of over the other.   The schools' say they don't get 
> involved with politics meaning (NFB or ACB).  Which isn't true either.
>
> That is my gripe with the school.
>
> They also have a few volunteer employees such as the Trekker trainer as 
> well as other so called volunteers which I have tried over and over again 
> to help in anyway shape or form with GDF, as well as with Mr. Greenspan 
> but we always get the nice well we don't need anyone at the moment, etc.
>
> So again, my gripes are with the school not offering all information on 
> both sides.
>
> Jeanine Stanley said to me last night, she hasn't been given any 
> information to post to the grad list, but that is not correct all of our 
> information is to b e posted to the guide dog users and the  blind.  I 
> have said and we are friendly we each other, that she doesn't need a 
> special invitation to post anything.
> Cheryl Echevarria Treasurer National Federation of the Blind Greater Long 
> Island Chapter.> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:30:49 -0500> From: 
> margo.downey at verizon.net> To: nyagdu at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one 
> sided representing on guide dog school list> > so, the post was posted but 
> people wrote you off list about it or on list. > if off list, there's not 
> much the moderatrors can do. On list, then you can > talk with them.> > 
> Margoa nd Elmo> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cheryl echevarria" 
> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:08 PM> Subject: 
> Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list> > > > my 
> post was posted> >> > Cheryl Echevarria> > Treasurer> > National 
> Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.> >> >> > -----  
> Original Message ----- > > From: "Margo and Elmo" 
> <margo.downey at verizon.net>> > To: "New York Association of Guide Dog 
> Users"
> <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:05 PM> > 
> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list> >> 
>  >> >> Cheryl, did you ask why your post didn't post?> >>> >> margo and 
> Elmo> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "cheryl echevarria" 
> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> >> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog 
> Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:07 PM> >> 
> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list> >>> 
>  >>> >> >I will let you know what happened. Jeanine Stanley had recently 
> posted > >> >this> >> >past week about a GDUI advocacy link, Marion a few 
> weeks about had put > >> >on> >> >the list about the FLAGDU PSA which is 
> on youtube. Which was never > >> >posted.> >> >In the past the school has 
> posted about other GDUI things and never put> >> >anything about ours. So 
> I posted ours as well as the NAGDU page. It is> >> >really childish. When 
> she posts things about GDUI which she has > >>
> >e-mailed> >> >me saying that she never gets anything officially from 
> >NAGDU, she is on > >> >our> >> >list, GDF comes to our convention. At 
> >convention I had run for V.P. > >> >which I> >> >am surprised came out of 
> >my mouth which I wanted to do was run for Board> >> >Member, but one of 
> >the issues Michael Hingson and I have is to have the> >> >guide dog 
> >school be accountable for there actions, of course GDF is > >> >going> >> 
> > >to take the defense. No guide dog school is going to admit anything > >> 
> > >for> >> >or against either us or GDUI, I was stressing an issue that I 
> >had and my> >> >own opinion. I am not going to apologize or defend myself 
> >either.> >> >> >> > Margo, with all respect to you and our great 
> >organization. GDF not > >> > only> >> > has there trekker training rep 
> >who is the long island chapter president > >> > of> >> > the ACB working 
> >for them, to which J Evans and I like each other and> >> > respect each 
> >other, but one of my one time friends we still speak but> >> >
> because she is also a member of ACB we cannot have a resonable> >> > 
> conversation, so we agreed not to speak is there number one > >> > 
> spokesperson> >> > who works with Lions Groups, etc. This is not a power 
> struggle, I > >> > really> >> > don't care in that respect, but what I do 
> care about is that and I have> >> > heard it and lived it, the negativity 
> at GDF about NFB or NAGDU. Brad> >> > Greenspan who is our V.P. here long 
> island who has been around longer > >> > than> >> > myself, never had a 
> dog, support NAGDU and has recently again has come > >> > to> >> > the 
> NYAGDU list, he reads everything and comes to the board meetings > >> > 
> every> >> > month and mutes his phone and listens. He is also a part of 
> the Lions > >> > and> >> > has had issues in the past and currently with 
> GDF. That is all I am > >> > saying> >> > in the matter.> >> >> >> > 
> Again, like I have said they will take the defense because they have > >> 
>  > to.> >> >> >> > I am running all over the place with this.
> the talk list is for the > >> > Grads> >> > of the list the school doesn't 
> run the list. But my point I was trying > >> > to> >> > show is that 
> whether it be Barrie who is no longer there or Jeanine who > >> > is> >> > 
> there since I have never heard either one of them post anything about> >> 
>  > NAGDU. So when I came back to the list a few months ago after being > >> 
>  > sick> >> > of the garbage and went back only because I wanted to bring 
> the > >> > positive> >> > of NAGDU and get members and to show what NAGDU 
> and NYAGDU is doing > >> > better> >> > than before.> >> >> >> > I don't 
> care if I have to defend myself to them, which I don't I post > >> > that> 
>  >> > if someone wants to discuss things further to post to me off list. I 
>  > >> > am> >> > proud to post NAGDU stuff and will continue to do so.> >> 
>  >> >> > What we do will not always make us popular, but it will educate 
> others.> >> >> >> > Cheryl Echevarria> >> > Treasurer> >> > National 
> Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island
> Chapter.> >> >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: 
> "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>> >> > To: "New York 
> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> > Sent: Sunday, 
> November 23, 2008 2:20 PM> >> > Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided 
> representing on guide dog school list> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheryl, is there 
> stuff about ACB on the GDF list or just g d u i. I > >> >> can> >> >> sort 
> of see not putting stuff on there about things that are not> >> >> 
> dog-related. Marion and I might want to address this with> >> >> gGDF 
> perhaps.> >> >>> >> >> In other words, it also depends on how the item 
> ou're placing there is> >> >> worded. It also depends on the bias of the 
> list. There are all kinds > >> >> of> >> >> reasons for this.> >> >>> >> 
>  >> Cheryl could you send me an example of something you placed on that > 
>  >> >> list> >> >> that wasn' received very well? Thanks.> >> >>> >> >> 
> margo and Elmo> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "cheryl
> echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> >> >> To: "nagdu" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> >> Cc: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:20 PM> >> 
>  >> Subject: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list> >> 
>  >>> >> >>> >> >> > As some of you know I got my guide dog from GDF. And 
> when I put > >> >> > stuff> >> >> > on> >> >> > the grad list about NAGDU 
> or NFB. I get my head cut off, like I > >> >> > should> >> >> > keep my 
> political opinions to myself and this stuff has nothing to > >> >> > do> 
>  >> >> > with> >> >> > guide dogs, hello we are NAGDU. But when Jeanine 
> puts things on the> >> >> > list> >> >> > about PSA's other than ours to 
> the Grad list, no one says anything.> >> >> >> >> >> > Either a school 
> should be for both or not say anything.> >> >> >> >> >> > I put because I 
> don't work for the school. I own my dog not the > >> >> > school,> >> >> > 
> and if the school holds it again me for speaking my mind, then
> they > >> >> > are> >> >> > wrong.> >> >> >> >> >> > I might also say that 
> the President of the the Long Island ACB was> >> >> > doing> >> >> > the 
> Trekker Training for GDF. I am not sure if he is still doing > >> >> > 
> this.> >> >> >> >> >> > There are other issues going on there as well. I 
> know that no > >> >> > school> >> >> > is> >> >> > perfect, but there are 
> issues we should mention if there are and not> >> >> > what> >> >> > side 
> of the fence the decide to be on.> >> >> >> >> >> > my gripe for the 
> night.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cheryl Echevarria> >> >> > Treasurer> >> 
>  >> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.> >> >> 
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