[Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list

Marion & Martin swampfox1833 at verizon.net
Tue Nov 25 12:56:20 UTC 2008 

Dear Cheryl & All,
    I would say that -even though it is challenging, at times - to hang in 
there and spread the NFB story. Some will ridicule you and, perhaps, say 
very disrespectful things to and about you! They are only exhibiting their 
ignorance and illustrating their fears that the Federation is stronger than 
the other group and challenges them to overcome their perceived limitations. 
Remember what they say about "sdticks and stone"! I would venture to bet 
that many of them, when they face serious challenges to their access, would 
rather have the NFB on their side than any organization because we always 
win! Why do we always win? Because we don't stop until we do!

Fraternally,
Marion

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list


> Okay, well, I do think that there could be a bias within the schools even 
> if they try not to have one.  I think we need to--all of us need to--make 
> sure our schools give us equal time and web space and email space and all 
> that.
>
> Margo andElmo
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>
>
>>
>> Margo, I am not concerned with my postings. I can handle that my concerns 
>> are that Jeanine is the rep she is also on the NAGDU talk list.  She puts 
>> things on the list about TOP DOG, GDUI stuff but never our stuff. I am 
>> upset taht she doesn't I have only recently started to do this, prior to 
>> this Barrie and the others never put things about NAGDU at all.
>>
>> My other concern as I mentioned the GDF and some other schools which I 
>> mentioned this at national convention and I have had a few phone 
>> conversations with Mike Hingson about my concerns with any guide dog 
>> school favoring one of over the other.   The schools' say they don't get 
>> involved with politics meaning (NFB or ACB).  Which isn't true either.
>>
>> That is my gripe with the school.
>>
>> They also have a few volunteer employees such as the Trekker trainer as 
>> well as other so called volunteers which I have tried over and over again 
>> to help in anyway shape or form with GDF, as well as with Mr. Greenspan 
>> but we always get the nice well we don't need anyone at the moment, etc.
>>
>> So again, my gripes are with the school not offering all information on 
>> both sides.
>>
>> Jeanine Stanley said to me last night, she hasn't been given any 
>> information to post to the grad list, but that is not correct all of our 
>> information is to b e posted to the guide dog users and the  blind.  I 
>> have said and we are friendly we each other, that she doesn't need a 
>> special invitation to post anything.
>> Cheryl Echevarria Treasurer National Federation of the Blind Greater Long 
>> Island Chapter.> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:30:49 -0500> From: 
>> margo.downey at verizon.net> To: nyagdu at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] 
>> one sided representing on guide dog school list> > so, the post was 
>> posted but people wrote you off list about it or on list. > if off list, 
>> there's not much the moderatrors can do. On list, then you can > talk 
>> with them.> > Margoa nd Elmo> ----- Original Message ----- > From: 
>> "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> To: "New York 
>> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> Sent: Sunday, 
>> November 23, 2008 10:08 PM> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing 
>> on guide dog school list> > > > my post was posted> >> > Cheryl 
>> Echevarria> > Treasurer> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long 
>> Island Chapter.> >> >> > -----  Original Message ----- > > From: "Margo 
>> and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>> > To: "New York Association of 
>> Guide Dog Users"
>> <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:05 PM> > 
>> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list> >> 
>>  >> >> Cheryl, did you ask why your post didn't post?> >>> >> margo and 
>> Elmo> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "cheryl echevarria" 
>> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> >> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog 
>> Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:07 PM> 
>>  >> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list> 
>>  >>> >>> >> >I will let you know what happened. Jeanine Stanley had 
>> recently posted > >> >this> >> >past week about a GDUI advocacy link, 
>> Marion a few weeks about had put > >> >on> >> >the list about the FLAGDU 
>> PSA which is on youtube. Which was never > >> >posted.> >> >In the past 
>> the school has posted about other GDUI things and never put> >> >anything 
>> about ours. So I posted ours as well as the NAGDU page. It is> >> >really 
>> childish. When she posts things about GDUI which she has > >>
>> >e-mailed> >> >me saying that she never gets anything officially from 
>> >NAGDU, she is on > >> >our> >> >list, GDF comes to our convention. At 
>> >convention I had run for V.P. > >> >which I> >> >am surprised came out 
>> >of my mouth which I wanted to do was run for Board> >> >Member, but one 
>> >of the issues Michael Hingson and I have is to have the> >> >guide dog 
>> >school be accountable for there actions, of course GDF is > >> >going> 
>> > >>
>> > >to take the defense. No guide dog school is going to admit anything > 
>> > > >> for> >> >or against either us or GDUI, I was stressing an issue 
>> > >that I
>> >had and my> >> >own opinion. I am not going to apologize or defend 
>> >myself either.> >> >> >> > Margo, with all respect to you and our great 
>> >organization. GDF not > >> > only> >> > has there trekker training rep 
>> >who is the long island chapter president > >> > of> >> > the ACB working 
>> >for them, to which J Evans and I like each other and> >> > respect each 
>> >other, but one of my one time friends we still speak but> >> >
>> because she is also a member of ACB we cannot have a resonable> >> > 
>> conversation, so we agreed not to speak is there number one > >> > 
>> spokesperson> >> > who works with Lions Groups, etc. This is not a power 
>> struggle, I > >> > really> >> > don't care in that respect, but what I do 
>> care about is that and I have> >> > heard it and lived it, the negativity 
>> at GDF about NFB or NAGDU. Brad> >> > Greenspan who is our V.P. here long 
>> island who has been around longer > >> > than> >> > myself, never had a 
>> dog, support NAGDU and has recently again has come > >> > to> >> > the 
>> NYAGDU list, he reads everything and comes to the board meetings > >> > 
>> every> >> > month and mutes his phone and listens. He is also a part of 
>> the Lions > >> > and> >> > has had issues in the past and currently with 
>> GDF. That is all I am > >> > saying> >> > in the matter.> >> >> >> > 
>> Again, like I have said they will take the defense because they have > >> 
>>  > to.> >> >> >> > I am running all over the place with this.
>> the talk list is for the > >> > Grads> >> > of the list the school 
>> doesn't run the list. But my point I was trying > >> > to> >> > show is 
>> that whether it be Barrie who is no longer there or Jeanine who > >> > 
>> is> >> > there since I have never heard either one of them post anything 
>> about> >> > NAGDU. So when I came back to the list a few months ago after 
>> being > >> > sick> >> > of the garbage and went back only because I 
>> wanted to bring the > >> > positive> >> > of NAGDU and get members and to 
>> show what NAGDU and NYAGDU is doing > >> > better> >> > than before.> >> 
>>  >> >> > I don't care if I have to defend myself to them, which I don't I 
>> post > >> > that> >> > if someone wants to discuss things further to post 
>> to me off list. I > >> > am> >> > proud to post NAGDU stuff and will 
>> continue to do so.> >> >> >> > What we do will not always make us 
>> popular, but it will educate others.> >> >> >> > Cheryl Echevarria> >> > 
>> Treasurer> >> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island
>> Chapter.> >> >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: 
>> "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>> >> > To: "New York 
>> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> > Sent: Sunday, 
>> November 23, 2008 2:20 PM> >> > Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided 
>> representing on guide dog school list> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheryl, is there 
>> stuff about ACB on the GDF list or just g d u i. I > >> >> can> >> >> 
>> sort of see not putting stuff on there about things that are not> >> >> 
>> dog-related. Marion and I might want to address this with> >> >> gGDF 
>> perhaps.> >> >>> >> >> In other words, it also depends on how the item 
>> ou're placing there is> >> >> worded. It also depends on the bias of the 
>> list. There are all kinds > >> >> of> >> >> reasons for this.> >> >>> >> 
>>  >> Cheryl could you send me an example of something you placed on that > 
>>  >> >> list> >> >> that wasn' received very well? Thanks.> >> >>> >> >> 
>> margo and Elmo> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "cheryl
>> echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> >> >> To: "nagdu" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> >> Cc: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:20 PM> >> 
>>  >> Subject: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list> >> 
>>  >>> >> >>> >> >> > As some of you know I got my guide dog from GDF. And 
>> when I put > >> >> > stuff> >> >> > on> >> >> > the grad list about NAGDU 
>> or NFB. I get my head cut off, like I > >> >> > should> >> >> > keep my 
>> political opinions to myself and this stuff has nothing to > >> >> > do> 
>>  >> >> > with> >> >> > guide dogs, hello we are NAGDU. But when Jeanine 
>> puts things on the> >> >> > list> >> >> > about PSA's other than ours to 
>> the Grad list, no one says anything.> >> >> >> >> >> > Either a school 
>> should be for both or not say anything.> >> >> >> >> >> > I put because I 
>> don't work for the school. I own my dog not the > >> >> > school,> >> >> 
>>  > and if the school holds it again me for speaking my mind, then
>> they > >> >> > are> >> >> > wrong.> >> >> >> >> >> > I might also say 
>> that the President of the the Long Island ACB was> >> >> > doing> >> >> > 
>> the Trekker Training for GDF. I am not sure if he is still doing > >> >> 
>>  > this.> >> >> >> >> >> > There are other issues going on there as well. 
>> I know that no > >> >> > school> >> >> > is> >> >> > perfect, but there 
>> are issues we should mention if there are and not> >> >> > what> >> >> > 
>> side of the fence the decide to be on.> >> >> >> >> >> > my gripe for the 
>> night.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cheryl Echevarria> >> >> > Treasurer> 
>>  >> >> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.> >> 
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