[Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list

Margo and Elmo margo.downey at verizon.net
Tue Nov 25 22:23:10 UTC 2008 

right on, marion!  Take heart, cheryl.

margo andElmo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>; "New York Association of 
Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list


> thank you Marion, I think I will post this the next time, I did post the 
> PSA that you had posted to the NAGDU site to the GDF Grad list and they 
> said that you need  better writing on this as well as Now what does the 
> NFB mean we are making a difference in what it means to be blind.  And I 
> think I will use this statement if you don't mind.
>
>
> Margo, I had asked this to Carl but maybe you will have a better pull with 
> him since you are the new President can we make a PSA here in NY with our 
> laws, etc and pass them along to the Cable and local stations, it may show 
> up at 3 am in the morning like the PSA for GDF.  But we can try.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Treasurer
> National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>
>
>> Dear Cheryl & All,
>>     I would say that -even though it is challenging, at times - to hang 
>> in
>> there and spread the NFB story. Some will ridicule you and, perhaps, say
>> very disrespectful things to and about you! They are only exhibiting 
>> their
>> ignorance and illustrating their fears that the Federation is stronger 
>> than
>> the other group and challenges them to overcome their perceived 
>> limitations.
>> Remember what they say about "sdticks and stone"! I would venture to bet
>> that many of them, when they face serious challenges to their access, 
>> would
>> rather have the NFB on their side than any organization because we always
>> win! Why do we always win? Because we don't stop until we do!
>>
>> Fraternally,
>> Marion
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>>
>>
>> > Okay, well, I do think that there could be a bias within the schools 
>> > even
>> > if they try not to have one.  I think we need to--all of us need 
>> > to--make
>> > sure our schools give us equal time and web space and email space and 
>> > all
>> > that.
>> >
>> > Margo andElmo
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> > To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:40 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Margo, I am not concerned with my postings. I can handle that my 
>> >> concerns
>> >> are that Jeanine is the rep she is also on the NAGDU talk list.  She 
>> >> puts
>> >> things on the list about TOP DOG, GDUI stuff but never our stuff. I am
>> >> upset taht she doesn't I have only recently started to do this, prior 
>> >> to
>> >> this Barrie and the others never put things about NAGDU at all.
>> >>
>> >> My other concern as I mentioned the GDF and some other schools which I
>> >> mentioned this at national convention and I have had a few phone
>> >> conversations with Mike Hingson about my concerns with any guide dog
>> >> school favoring one of over the other.   The schools' say they don't 
>> >> get
>> >> involved with politics meaning (NFB or ACB).  Which isn't true either.
>> >>
>> >> That is my gripe with the school.
>> >>
>> >> They also have a few volunteer employees such as the Trekker trainer 
>> >> as
>> >> well as other so called volunteers which I have tried over and over 
>> >> again
>> >> to help in anyway shape or form with GDF, as well as with Mr. 
>> >> Greenspan
>> >> but we always get the nice well we don't need anyone at the moment, 
>> >> etc.
>> >>
>> >> So again, my gripes are with the school not offering all information 
>> >> on
>> >> both sides.
>> >>
>> >> Jeanine Stanley said to me last night, she hasn't been given any
>> >> information to post to the grad list, but that is not correct all of 
>> >> our
>> >> information is to b e posted to the guide dog users and the  blind.  I
>> >> have said and we are friendly we each other, that she doesn't need a
>> >> special invitation to post anything.
>> >> Cheryl Echevarria Treasurer National Federation of the Blind Greater 
>> >> Long
>> >> Island Chapter.> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:30:49 -0500> From:
>> >> margo.downey at verizon.net> To: nyagdu at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu]
>> >> one sided representing on guide dog school list> > so, the post was
>> >> posted but people wrote you off list about it or on list. > if off 
>> >> list,
>> >> there's not much the moderatrors can do. On list, then you can > talk
>> >> with them.> > Margoa nd Elmo> ----- Original Message ----- > From:
>> >> "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> To: "New York
>> >> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> Sent: Sunday,
>> >> November 23, 2008 10:08 PM> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided 
>> >> representing
>> >> on guide dog school list> > > > my post was posted> >> > Cheryl
>> >> Echevarria> > Treasurer> > National Federation of the Blind Greater 
>> >> Long
>> >> Island Chapter.> >> >> > -----  Original Message ----- > > From: 
>> >> "Margo
>> >> and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>> > To: "New York Association of
>> >> Guide Dog Users"
>> >> <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:05 PM> >
>> >> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list>
>> >> >>
>> >>  >> >> Cheryl, did you ask why your post didn't post?> >>> >> margo 
>> >> and
>> >> Elmo> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "cheryl echevarria"
>> >> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> >> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog
>> >> Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:07 
>> >> PM>
>> >>  >> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school 
>> >> list>
>> >>  >>> >>> >> >I will let you know what happened. Jeanine Stanley had
>> >> recently posted > >> >this> >> >past week about a GDUI advocacy link,
>> >> Marion a few weeks about had put > >> >on> >> >the list about the 
>> >> FLAGDU
>> >> PSA which is on youtube. Which was never > >> >posted.> >> >In the 
>> >> past
>> >> the school has posted about other GDUI things and never put> >>
>> >> >anything
>> >> about ours. So I posted ours as well as the NAGDU page. It is> >>
>> >> >really
>> >> childish. When she posts things about GDUI which she has > >>
>> >> >e-mailed> >> >me saying that she never gets anything officially from
>> >> >NAGDU, she is on > >> >our> >> >list, GDF comes to our convention. At
>> >> >convention I had run for V.P. > >> >which I> >> >am surprised came 
>> >> >out
>> >> >of my mouth which I wanted to do was run for Board> >> >Member, but 
>> >> >one
>> >> >of the issues Michael Hingson and I have is to have the> >> >guide 
>> >> >dog
>> >> >school be accountable for there actions, of course GDF is > >> 
>> >> > >going>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >to take the defense. No guide dog school is going to admit anything
>> >> > >>
>> >> > > >> for> >> >or against either us or GDUI, I was stressing an issue
>> >> > >that I
>> >> >had and my> >> >own opinion. I am not going to apologize or defend
>> >> >myself either.> >> >> >> > Margo, with all respect to you and our 
>> >> >great
>> >> >organization. GDF not > >> > only> >> > has there trekker training 
>> >> >rep
>> >> >who is the long island chapter president > >> > of> >> > the ACB 
>> >> >working
>> >> >for them, to which J Evans and I like each other and> >> > respect 
>> >> >each
>> >> >other, but one of my one time friends we still speak but> >> >
>> >> because she is also a member of ACB we cannot have a resonable> >> >
>> >> conversation, so we agreed not to speak is there number one > >> >
>> >> spokesperson> >> > who works with Lions Groups, etc. This is not a 
>> >> power
>> >> struggle, I > >> > really> >> > don't care in that respect, but what I 
>> >> do
>> >> care about is that and I have> >> > heard it and lived it, the 
>> >> negativity
>> >> at GDF about NFB or NAGDU. Brad> >> > Greenspan who is our V.P. here 
>> >> long
>> >> island who has been around longer > >> > than> >> > myself, never had 
>> >> a
>> >> dog, support NAGDU and has recently again has come > >> > to> >> > the
>> >> NYAGDU list, he reads everything and comes to the board meetings > >> 
>> >>  >
>> >> every> >> > month and mutes his phone and listens. He is also a part 
>> >> of
>> >> the Lions > >> > and> >> > has had issues in the past and currently 
>> >> with
>> >> GDF. That is all I am > >> > saying> >> > in the matter.> >> >> >> >
>> >> Again, like I have said they will take the defense because they have >
>> >> >>
>> >>  > to.> >> >> >> > I am running all over the place with this.
>> >> the talk list is for the > >> > Grads> >> > of the list the school
>> >> doesn't run the list. But my point I was trying > >> > to> >> > show 
>> >> is
>> >> that whether it be Barrie who is no longer there or Jeanine who > >> >
>> >> is> >> > there since I have never heard either one of them post 
>> >> anything
>> >> about> >> > NAGDU. So when I came back to the list a few months ago 
>> >> after
>> >> being > >> > sick> >> > of the garbage and went back only because I
>> >> wanted to bring the > >> > positive> >> > of NAGDU and get members and 
>> >> to
>> >> show what NAGDU and NYAGDU is doing > >> > better> >> > than before.>
>> >> >>
>> >>  >> >> > I don't care if I have to defend myself to them, which I 
>> >> don't I
>> >> post > >> > that> >> > if someone wants to discuss things further to 
>> >> post
>> >> to me off list. I > >> > am> >> > proud to post NAGDU stuff and will
>> >> continue to do so.> >> >> >> > What we do will not always make us
>> >> popular, but it will educate others.> >> >> >> > Cheryl Echevarria> >>
>> >> >
>> >> Treasurer> >> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island
>> >> Chapter.> >> >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From:
>> >> "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>> >> > To: "New York
>> >> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> > Sent: 
>> >> Sunday,
>> >> November 23, 2008 2:20 PM> >> > Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided
>> >> representing on guide dog school list> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheryl, is 
>> >> there
>> >> stuff about ACB on the GDF list or just g d u i. I > >> >> can> >> >>
>> >> sort of see not putting stuff on there about things that are not> >> 
>> >>  >>
>> >> dog-related. Marion and I might want to address this with> >> >> gGDF
>> >> perhaps.> >> >>> >> >> In other words, it also depends on how the item
>> >> ou're placing there is> >> >> worded. It also depends on the bias of 
>> >> the
>> >> list. There are all kinds > >> >> of> >> >> reasons for this.> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >>  >> Cheryl could you send me an example of something you placed on 
>> >> that
>> >> >
>> >>  >> >> list> >> >> that wasn' received very well? Thanks.> >> >>> >> 
>> >>  >>
>> >> margo and Elmo> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: 
>> >> "cheryl
>> >> echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> >> >> To: "nagdu"
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> >> Cc: "New York Association of Guide Dog 
>> >> Users"
>> >> <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:20 PM>
>> >> >>
>> >>  >> Subject: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list>
>> >> >>
>> >>  >>> >> >>> >> >> > As some of you know I got my guide dog from GDF. 
>> >> And
>> >> when I put > >> >> > stuff> >> >> > on> >> >> > the grad list about 
>> >> NAGDU
>> >> or NFB. I get my head cut off, like I > >> >> > should> >> >> > keep 
>> >> my
>> >> political opinions to myself and this stuff has nothing to > >> >> > 
>> >> do>
>> >>  >> >> > with> >> >> > guide dogs, hello we are NAGDU. But when 
>> >> Jeanine
>> >> puts things on the> >> >> > list> >> >> > about PSA's other than ours 
>> >> to
>> >> the Grad list, no one says anything.> >> >> >> >> >> > Either a school
>> >> should be for both or not say anything.> >> >> >> >> >> > I put 
>> >> because I
>> >> don't work for the school. I own my dog not the > >> >> > school,> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>  > and if the school holds it again me for speaking my mind, then
>> >> they > >> >> > are> >> >> > wrong.> >> >> >> >> >> > I might also say
>> >> that the President of the the Long Island ACB was> >> >> > doing> >> 
>> >>  >>
>> >> >
>> >> the Trekker Training for GDF. I am not sure if he is still doing > >>
>> >> >>
>> >>  > this.> >> >> >> >> >> > There are other issues going on there as 
>> >> well.
>> >> I know that no > >> >> > school> >> >> > is> >> >> > perfect, but 
>> >> there
>> >> are issues we should mention if there are and not> >> >> > what> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> side of the fence the decide to be on.> >> >> >> >> >> > my gripe for 
>> >> the
>> >> night.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cheryl Echevarria> >> >> > 
>> >> Treasurer>
>> >>  >> >> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island 
>> >> Chapter.>
>> >> >>
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