[Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list

Tue Nov 25 22:24:06 UTC 2008

will do, I would just to to politely put people in there places, and there 
must be a few things I can say that will be kind but make people think that 
they are being ridiculous as well.
Cheryl Echevarria
Treasurer
National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list

> right on, marion!  Take heart, cheryl.
>
> margo andElmo
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>; "New York Association of
> Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
>
>
> > thank you Marion, I think I will post this the next time, I did post the
> > PSA that you had posted to the NAGDU site to the GDF Grad list and they
> > said that you need  better writing on this as well as Now what does the
> > NFB mean we are making a difference in what it means to be blind.  And I
> > think I will use this statement if you don't mind.
> >
> >
> > Margo, I had asked this to Carl but maybe you will have a better pull 
> > with
> > him since you are the new President can we make a PSA here in NY with 
> > our
> > laws, etc and pass them along to the Cable and local stations, it may 
> > show
> > up at 3 am in the morning like the PSA for GDF.  But we can try.
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > Treasurer
> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
> > To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
> >
> >
> >> Dear Cheryl & All,
> >>     I would say that -even though it is challenging, at times - to hang
> >> in
> >> there and spread the NFB story. Some will ridicule you and, perhaps, 
> >> say
> >> very disrespectful things to and about you! They are only exhibiting
> >> their
> >> ignorance and illustrating their fears that the Federation is stronger
> >> than
> >> the other group and challenges them to overcome their perceived
> >> limitations.
> >> Remember what they say about "sdticks and stone"! I would venture to 
> >> bet
> >> that many of them, when they face serious challenges to their access,
> >> would
> >> rather have the NFB on their side than any organization because we 
> >> always
> >> win! Why do we always win? Because we don't stop until we do!
> >>
> >> Fraternally,
> >> Marion
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> >> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:52 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
> >>
> >>
> >> > Okay, well, I do think that there could be a bias within the schools
> >> > even
> >> > if they try not to have one.  I think we need to--all of us need
> >> > to--make
> >> > sure our schools give us equal time and web space and email space and
> >> > all
> >> > that.
> >> >
> >> > Margo andElmo
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> >> > To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:40 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school list
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Margo, I am not concerned with my postings. I can handle that my
> >> >> concerns
> >> >> are that Jeanine is the rep she is also on the NAGDU talk list.  She
> >> >> puts
> >> >> things on the list about TOP DOG, GDUI stuff but never our stuff. I 
> >> >> am
> >> >> upset taht she doesn't I have only recently started to do this, 
> >> >> prior
> >> >> to
> >> >> this Barrie and the others never put things about NAGDU at all.
> >> >>
> >> >> My other concern as I mentioned the GDF and some other schools which 
> >> >> I
> >> >> mentioned this at national convention and I have had a few phone
> >> >> conversations with Mike Hingson about my concerns with any guide dog
> >> >> school favoring one of over the other.   The schools' say they don't
> >> >> get
> >> >> involved with politics meaning (NFB or ACB).  Which isn't true 
> >> >> either.
> >> >>
> >> >> That is my gripe with the school.
> >> >>
> >> >> They also have a few volunteer employees such as the Trekker trainer
> >> >> as
> >> >> well as other so called volunteers which I have tried over and over
> >> >> again
> >> >> to help in anyway shape or form with GDF, as well as with Mr.
> >> >> Greenspan
> >> >> but we always get the nice well we don't need anyone at the moment,
> >> >> etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> So again, my gripes are with the school not offering all information
> >> >> on
> >> >> both sides.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeanine Stanley said to me last night, she hasn't been given any
> >> >> information to post to the grad list, but that is not correct all of
> >> >> our
> >> >> information is to b e posted to the guide dog users and the  blind. 
> >> >> I
> >> >> have said and we are friendly we each other, that she doesn't need a
> >> >> special invitation to post anything.
> >> >> Cheryl Echevarria Treasurer National Federation of the Blind Greater
> >> >> Long
> >> >> Island Chapter.> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:30:49 -0500> From:
> >> >> margo.downey at verizon.net> To: nyagdu at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: 
> >> >> [Nyagdu]
> >> >> one sided representing on guide dog school list> > so, the post was
> >> >> posted but people wrote you off list about it or on list. > if off
> >> >> list,
> >> >> there's not much the moderatrors can do. On list, then you can > 
> >> >> talk
> >> >> with them.> > Margoa nd Elmo> ----- Original Message ----- > From:
> >> >> "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> To: "New York
> >> >> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> Sent: Sunday,
> >> >> November 23, 2008 10:08 PM> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided
> >> >> representing
> >> >> on guide dog school list> > > > my post was posted> >> > Cheryl
> >> >> Echevarria> > Treasurer> > National Federation of the Blind Greater
> >> >> Long
> >> >> Island Chapter.> >> >> > -----  Original Message ----- > > From:
> >> >> "Margo
> >> >> and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>> > To: "New York Association of
> >> >> Guide Dog Users"
> >> >> <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:05 PM> >
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school 
> >> >> list>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>  >> >> Cheryl, did you ask why your post didn't post?> >>> >> margo
> >> >> and
> >> >> Elmo> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "cheryl echevarria"
> >> >> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> >> To: "New York Association of Guide 
> >> >> Dog
> >> >> Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:07
> >> >> PM>
> >> >>  >> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school
> >> >> list>
> >> >>  >>> >>> >> >I will let you know what happened. Jeanine Stanley had
> >> >> recently posted > >> >this> >> >past week about a GDUI advocacy 
> >> >> link,
> >> >> Marion a few weeks about had put > >> >on> >> >the list about the
> >> >> FLAGDU
> >> >> PSA which is on youtube. Which was never > >> >posted.> >> >In the
> >> >> past
> >> >> the school has posted about other GDUI things and never put> >>
> >> >> >anything
> >> >> about ours. So I posted ours as well as the NAGDU page. It is> >>
> >> >> >really
> >> >> childish. When she posts things about GDUI which she has > >>
> >> >> >e-mailed> >> >me saying that she never gets anything officially 
> >> >> >from
> >> >> >NAGDU, she is on > >> >our> >> >list, GDF comes to our convention. 
> >> >> >At
> >> >> >convention I had run for V.P. > >> >which I> >> >am surprised came
> >> >> >out
> >> >> >of my mouth which I wanted to do was run for Board> >> >Member, but
> >> >> >one
> >> >> >of the issues Michael Hingson and I have is to have the> >> >guide
> >> >> >dog
> >> >> >school be accountable for there actions, of course GDF is > >>
> >> >> > >going>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >to take the defense. No guide dog school is going to admit 
> >> >> > >anything
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > > >> for> >> >or against either us or GDUI, I was stressing an 
> >> >> > > >> issue
> >> >> > >that I
> >> >> >had and my> >> >own opinion. I am not going to apologize or defend
> >> >> >myself either.> >> >> >> > Margo, with all respect to you and our
> >> >> >great
> >> >> >organization. GDF not > >> > only> >> > has there trekker training
> >> >> >rep
> >> >> >who is the long island chapter president > >> > of> >> > the ACB
> >> >> >working
> >> >> >for them, to which J Evans and I like each other and> >> > respect
> >> >> >each
> >> >> >other, but one of my one time friends we still speak but> >> >
> >> >> because she is also a member of ACB we cannot have a resonable> >> >
> >> >> conversation, so we agreed not to speak is there number one > >> >
> >> >> spokesperson> >> > who works with Lions Groups, etc. This is not a
> >> >> power
> >> >> struggle, I > >> > really> >> > don't care in that respect, but what 
> >> >> I
> >> >> do
> >> >> care about is that and I have> >> > heard it and lived it, the
> >> >> negativity
> >> >> at GDF about NFB or NAGDU. Brad> >> > Greenspan who is our V.P. here
> >> >> long
> >> >> island who has been around longer > >> > than> >> > myself, never 
> >> >> had
> >> >> a
> >> >> dog, support NAGDU and has recently again has come > >> > to> >> > 
> >> >> the
> >> >> NYAGDU list, he reads everything and comes to the board meetings > 
> >> >> >>
> >> >>  >
> >> >> every> >> > month and mutes his phone and listens. He is also a part
> >> >> of
> >> >> the Lions > >> > and> >> > has had issues in the past and currently
> >> >> with
> >> >> GDF. That is all I am > >> > saying> >> > in the matter.> >> >> >> >
> >> >> Again, like I have said they will take the defense because they have 
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >>  > to.> >> >> >> > I am running all over the place with this.
> >> >> the talk list is for the > >> > Grads> >> > of the list the school
> >> >> doesn't run the list. But my point I was trying > >> > to> >> > show
> >> >> is
> >> >> that whether it be Barrie who is no longer there or Jeanine who > >> 
> >> >> >
> >> >> is> >> > there since I have never heard either one of them post
> >> >> anything
> >> >> about> >> > NAGDU. So when I came back to the list a few months ago
> >> >> after
> >> >> being > >> > sick> >> > of the garbage and went back only because I
> >> >> wanted to bring the > >> > positive> >> > of NAGDU and get members 
> >> >> and
> >> >> to
> >> >> show what NAGDU and NYAGDU is doing > >> > better> >> > than 
> >> >> before.>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>  >> >> > I don't care if I have to defend myself to them, which I
> >> >> don't I
> >> >> post > >> > that> >> > if someone wants to discuss things further to
> >> >> post
> >> >> to me off list. I > >> > am> >> > proud to post NAGDU stuff and will
> >> >> continue to do so.> >> >> >> > What we do will not always make us
> >> >> popular, but it will educate others.> >> >> >> > Cheryl Echevarria> 
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> Treasurer> >> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island
> >> >> Chapter.> >> >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From:
> >> >> "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>> >> > To: "New York
> >> >> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> > Sent:
> >> >> Sunday,
> >> >> November 23, 2008 2:20 PM> >> > Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] one sided
> >> >> representing on guide dog school list> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheryl, is
> >> >> there
> >> >> stuff about ACB on the GDF list or just g d u i. I > >> >> can> >> 
> >> >> >>
> >> >> sort of see not putting stuff on there about things that are not> >>
> >> >>  >>
> >> >> dog-related. Marion and I might want to address this with> >> >> 
> >> >> gGDF
> >> >> perhaps.> >> >>> >> >> In other words, it also depends on how the 
> >> >> item
> >> >> ou're placing there is> >> >> worded. It also depends on the bias of
> >> >> the
> >> >> list. There are all kinds > >> >> of> >> >> reasons for this.> >> 
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>  >> Cheryl could you send me an example of something you placed on
> >> >> that
> >> >> >
> >> >>  >> >> list> >> >> that wasn' received very well? Thanks.> >> >>> >>
> >> >>  >>
> >> >> margo and Elmo> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From:
> >> >> "cheryl
> >> >> echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> >> >> To: "nagdu"
> >> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> >> Cc: "New York Association of Guide Dog
> >> >> Users"
> >> >> <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:20 
> >> >> PM>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>  >> Subject: [Nyagdu] one sided representing on guide dog school 
> >> >> list>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>  >>> >> >>> >> >> > As some of you know I got my guide dog from GDF.
> >> >> And
> >> >> when I put > >> >> > stuff> >> >> > on> >> >> > the grad list about
> >> >> NAGDU
> >> >> or NFB. I get my head cut off, like I > >> >> > should> >> >> > keep
> >> >> my
> >> >> political opinions to myself and this stuff has nothing to > >> >> >
> >> >> do>
> >> >>  >> >> > with> >> >> > guide dogs, hello we are NAGDU. But when
> >> >> Jeanine
> >> >> puts things on the> >> >> > list> >> >> > about PSA's other than 
> >> >> ours
> >> >> to
> >> >> the Grad list, no one says anything.> >> >> >> >> >> > Either a 
> >> >> school
> >> >> should be for both or not say anything.> >> >> >> >> >> > I put
> >> >> because I
> >> >> don't work for the school. I own my dog not the > >> >> > school,> 
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>  > and if the school holds it again me for speaking my mind, then
> >> >> they > >> >> > are> >> >> > wrong.> >> >> >> >> >> > I might also 
> >> >> say
> >> >> that the President of the the Long Island ACB was> >> >> > doing> >>
> >> >>  >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> the Trekker Training for GDF. I am not sure if he is still doing > 
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>  > this.> >> >> >> >> >> > There are other issues going on there as
> >> >> well.
> >> >> I know that no > >> >> > school> >> >> > is> >> >> > perfect, but
> >> >> there
> >> >> are issues we should mention if there are and not> >> >> > what> >> 
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> side of the fence the decide to be on.> >> >> >> >> >> > my gripe 
> >> >> for
> >> >> the
> >> >> night.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cheryl Echevarria> >> >> >
> >> >> Treasurer>
> >> >>  >> >> > National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island
> >> >> Chapter.>
> >> >> >>
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