[Nyagdu] a reminder
cheryl echevarria
cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
Mon Nov 2 16:16:34 UTC 2009
Tracy that was rude and unsensitive and was definitely no called for.
As I had said I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone on this list or part of our division. I was also stating a rule with hotels period. Since I am not only a graduate of some of the suppliers to whom I am selling every single one of them have this policy and since we already have problems finding places that are affordable to take us for a convention as well as with educating people about guide dogs. I was stating a fact, we can be asked to leave a hotel and not return because of these rules.
Again, I was stating facts and not pointing my fingers at you.
Cheryl Echevarria
Treasurer,
Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy Carcione<mailto:carcione at access.net>
To: New York Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] a reminder
My goodness, don't get all upset because I disagree with something.
Reasoned argument keeps organizations healthy and in touch with the
membership.
Tracy
> okay I have tried to be nice I do not want to be part of a division that
> doesn't take its lead from the national division, I am helping to organize
> the NY State Diabetic Action Network, and will be taking full advise from
> the national division since I was asked to start one by that president. I
> feel if I cannot express my concerns and again wasn't point fingers at
> tracy or any member of the state division. In fact it has nothing to do
> with the National either, it is a hotel policy for all hotels, no leaving
> of pets and children unattended in rooms alone.
>
> not going to be involved in this list again, if Margo needs me she knows
> where to find me.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Treasurer,
> Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tracy Carcione<mailto:carcione at access.net<mailto:carcione at access.net>>
> To: New York Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] a reminder
>
>
> I have left my dogs in the room, when I felt it was best. I have never
> had a problem with it. I know my dogs well enough to know they won't
> get
> into trouble, and I hang up the Do Not Disturb sign so hotel staff won't
> walk in.
> For instance, I have left the dog in the room during state hospitality,
> sometimes, because I want to wander around to various tables and talk to
> people, and the dog seems to find that a bit confusing. The dog wants
> to
> walk around the tables, and I want to go up to each one, perhaps.
> At national, I have left my dog in the room once in a while near the end
> of the week, just because the dog was getting tired of dodging the canes
> and really needed a break. It never caused a problem. But of course,
> at
> national daddy knows best, and how dare I imagine that I know what my
> own
> dog needs and can handle?!! This policy really annoys me.
> Tracy
>
> > Well besides a guide dog users I am also a mother, I would never leave
> my
> > children unattended in the room alone, and I will not leave my dog
> alone
> > in the room, they have feelings as well. staff at hotels may night be
> > feeling the same.
> >
> > As a responsbile adult I think myself if you are bringing the dog with
> you
> > to work at a convention then use the dog, I particularly bring maxx to
> > convention but this year I will bring him to dallas again.
> >
> > I agree Tracy you are an adult and no better but there are other that
> > don't belong to NYAGDU or NAGDU that don't go by policy and in some
> hotels
> > that have animal acceptance policies where you have a guide dog or not
> can
> > not be left in room unattended, this is put out by the hotel industry,
> as
> > well.
> >
> > Being with the state since 2006 and had my dog since 2007 and taken
> Maxx
> > everywhere I go when I bring him with me, and leave him home when I
> feel
> > that I might not want to use him all the time, he is not a cane where
> I
> > can just leave it in the room and it will sit against the wall.
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > Treasurer,
> > Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind
> >
> > Echevarriatravel.com
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tracy
> Carcione<mailto:carcione at access.net<mailto:carcione at access.net<mailto:carcione at access.net%3Cmailto:carcione at access.net>>>
> > To: New York Association of Guide Dog
> Users<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>>>
> > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] a reminder
> >
> >
> > I think the national policy is highly obnoxious, and I'd feel the
> same
> > if
> > it became a state policy. I am a responsible adult. I know how to
> > handle
> > my dog. Others may advise me, but, in the end, it's my dog and my
> > decisions. And I'm perfectly willing to grant that my comrades in
> > NYAGDU
> > are also responsible adults, who don't need me to tell them what to
> do.
> >
> > If it were a school or an agency assuming we are too ignorant to
> handle
> > our own dogs, we'd tell them where to get off. But since it's the
> NFB,
> > it's supposed to be just fine. Well, I don't buy it.
> >
> > So far as I know, we have never had any serious dog problems at
> state
> > conventions. I've been around about 25 years now, and was president
> of
> > NYAGDU for a few years, so I think I would have heard. So why
> institute
> > a
> > policy that treats people like idiots, when there's not even a
> problem
> > to
> > be solved?
> > I say no.
> > Tracy
> >
> > > The NFB national has a policy of not leaving dogs in rooms alone.
> I'd
> > > like
> > > to have a similar or same policy for NFB NY. what do you all
> think?
> > >
> > > Margo and Arrow
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "cheryl echevarria"
> > <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>>>>
> > > To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>>>>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:12 AM
> > > Subject: [Nyagdu] a reminder
> > >
> > >
> > >> This is just a reminder at convention I know there were a few
> people
> > >> that
> > >> left there guide dogs in there hotel rooms.
> > >>
> > >> I am not going to point fingers at anyone, and most of the people
> do
> > not
> > >> belong to NYAGDU. But I am not going to open a can of worms.
> > >>
> > >> We need to enforce this rule, we cannot afford to have misbehaved
> > dogs
> > >> in
> > >> the room, and myself as a parent I wouldn't leave my child alone
> in
> > the
> > >> room why leave a dog, if you don't want to take your dog allow
> over
> > the
> > >> place then leave the dog at home.
> > >>
> > >> Dogs can have accidents or scare the cleaning people or maybe
> hotel
> > >> staff
> > >> that need to go into your room and fix something.
> > >>
> > >> Margo, since you are our president, when you have affiliate
> > presidential
> > >> meetings with carl and the other affiliate/chapter presidents,
> can we
> > >> please remind them of this to tell there members in there
> chapters.
> > Such
> > >> as Maria Garcia POBC or Student President, you know what I mean.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for letting me post this information.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Cheryl Echevarria
> > >> Treasurer,
> > >> Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the
> Blind
> > >>
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