[Nyagdu] a reminder

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Mon Nov 2 16:31:52 UTC 2009


If you felt I was rude, I appologize.  That was not my intent.
Tracy

> Tracy that was rude and unsensitive and was definitely no called for.
>
> As I had said I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone on this list or part of
> our division. I was also stating a rule with hotels period. Since I am not
> only a graduate of some of the suppliers to whom I am selling every single
> one of them have this policy and since we already have problems finding
> places that are affordable to take us for a convention as well as with
> educating people  about guide dogs. I was stating a fact, we can be asked
> to leave a hotel and not return because of these rules.
>
> Again, I was stating facts and not pointing my fingers at you.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Treasurer,
> Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind
>
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Tracy Carcione<mailto:carcione at access.net>
>   To: New York Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>   Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] a reminder
>
>
>   My goodness, don't get all upset because I disagree with something.
>   Reasoned argument keeps organizations healthy and in touch with the
>   membership.
>   Tracy
>
>   > okay I have tried to be nice I do not want to be part of a division
> that
>   > doesn't take its lead from the national division, I am helping to
> organize
>   > the NY State Diabetic Action Network, and will be taking full advise
> from
>   > the national division since I was asked to start one by that
> president. I
>   > feel if I cannot express my concerns and again wasn't point fingers at
>   > tracy or any member of the state division. In fact it has nothing to
> do
>   > with the National either, it is a hotel policy for all hotels, no
> leaving
>   > of pets and children unattended in rooms alone.
>   >
>   > not going to be involved in this list again, if Margo needs me she
> knows
>   > where to find me.
>   >
>   > Cheryl Echevarria
>   > Treasurer,
>   > Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind
>   >
>   > Echevarriatravel.com
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>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Tracy
> Carcione<mailto:carcione at access.net<mailto:carcione at access.net>>
>   >   To: New York Association of Guide Dog
> Users<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>   >   Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:36 AM
>   >   Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] a reminder
>   >
>   >
>   >   I have left my dogs in the room, when I felt it was best.  I have
> never
>   >   had a problem with it.  I know my dogs well enough to know they
> won't
>   > get
>   >   into trouble, and I hang up the Do Not Disturb sign so hotel staff
> won't
>   >   walk in.
>   >   For instance, I have left the dog in the room during state
> hospitality,
>   >   sometimes, because I want to wander around to various tables and
> talk to
>   >   people, and the dog seems to find that a bit confusing.  The dog
> wants
>   > to
>   >   walk around the tables, and I want to go up to each one, perhaps.
>   >   At national, I have left my dog in the room once in a while near the
> end
>   >   of the week, just because the dog was getting tired of dodging the
> canes
>   >   and really needed a break.  It never caused a problem.  But of
> course,
>   > at
>   >   national daddy knows best, and how dare I imagine that I know what
> my
>   > own
>   >   dog needs and can handle?!!  This policy really annoys me.
>   >   Tracy
>   >
>   >   > Well besides a guide dog users I am also a mother, I would never
> leave
>   > my
>   >   > children unattended in the room alone, and I will not leave my dog
>   > alone
>   >   > in the room, they have feelings as well. staff at hotels may night
> be
>   >   > feeling the same.
>   >   >
>   >   > As a responsbile adult I think myself if you are bringing the dog
> with
>   > you
>   >   > to work at a convention then use the dog, I particularly bring
> maxx to
>   >   > convention but this year I will bring him to dallas again.
>   >   >
>   >   > I agree Tracy you are an adult and no better but there are other
> that
>   >   > don't belong to NYAGDU or NAGDU that don't go by policy and in
> some
>   > hotels
>   >   > that have animal acceptance policies where you have a guide dog or
> not
>   > can
>   >   > not be left in room unattended, this is put out by the hotel
> industry,
>   > as
>   >   > well.
>   >   >
>   >   > Being with the state since 2006 and had my dog since 2007 and
> taken
>   > Maxx
>   >   > everywhere I go when I bring him with me, and leave him home when
> I
>   > feel
>   >   > that I might not want to use him all the time, he is not a cane
> where
>   > I
>   >   > can just leave it in the room and it will sit against the wall.
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   > Cheryl Echevarria
>   >   > Treasurer,
>   >   > Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the
> Blind
>   >   >
>   >   > Echevarriatravel.com
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>   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   >   From: Tracy
>   > Carcione<mailto:carcione at access.net<mailto:carcione at access.net<mailto:carcione at access.net%3Cmailto:carcione at access.net>>>
>   >   >   To: New York Association of Guide Dog
>   > Users<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>>>
>   >   >   Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:04 AM
>   >   >   Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] a reminder
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   >   I think the national policy is highly obnoxious, and I'd feel
> the
>   > same
>   >   > if
>   >   >   it became a state policy.  I am a responsible adult.  I know how
> to
>   >   > handle
>   >   >   my dog.  Others may advise me, but, in the end, it's my dog and
> my
>   >   >   decisions.  And I'm perfectly willing to grant that my comrades
> in
>   >   > NYAGDU
>   >   >   are also responsible adults, who don't need me to tell them what
> to
>   > do.
>   >   >
>   >   >   If it were a school or an agency assuming we are too ignorant to
>   > handle
>   >   >   our own dogs, we'd tell them where to get off.  But since it's
> the
>   > NFB,
>   >   >   it's supposed to be just fine.  Well, I don't buy it.
>   >   >
>   >   >   So far as I know, we have never had any serious dog problems at
>   > state
>   >   >   conventions.  I've been around about 25 years now, and was
> president
>   > of
>   >   >   NYAGDU for a few years, so I think I would have heard.  So why
>   > institute
>   >   > a
>   >   >   policy that treats people like idiots, when there's not even a
>   > problem
>   >   > to
>   >   >   be solved?
>   >   >   I say no.
>   >   >   Tracy
>   >   >
>   >   >   > The NFB national has a policy of not leaving dogs in rooms
> alone.
>   > I'd
>   >   >   > like
>   >   >   > to have a similar or same policy for NFB NY.  what do you all
>   > think?
>   >   >   >
>   >   >   > Margo and Arrow
>   >   >   > ----- Original Message -----
>   >   >   > From: "cheryl echevarria"
>   >   > <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>>>>
>   >   >   > To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users"
>   >   > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>>>>
>   >   >   > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:12 AM
>   >   >   > Subject: [Nyagdu] a reminder
>   >   >   >
>   >   >   >
>   >   >   >> This is just a reminder at convention I know there were a few
>   > people
>   >   >   >> that
>   >   >   >> left there guide dogs in there hotel rooms.
>   >   >   >>
>   >   >   >> I am not going to point fingers at anyone, and most of the
> people
>   > do
>   >   > not
>   >   >   >> belong to NYAGDU. But I am not going to open a can of worms.
>   >   >   >>
>   >   >   >> We need to enforce this rule, we cannot afford to have
> misbehaved
>   >   > dogs
>   >   >   >> in
>   >   >   >> the room, and myself as a parent I wouldn't leave my child
> alone
>   > in
>   >   > the
>   >   >   >> room why leave a dog, if you don't want to take your dog
> allow
>   > over
>   >   > the
>   >   >   >> place then leave the dog at home.
>   >   >   >>
>   >   >   >> Dogs can have accidents or scare the cleaning people or maybe
>   > hotel
>   >   >   >> staff
>   >   >   >> that need to go into your room and fix something.
>   >   >   >>
>   >   >   >> Margo, since you are our president, when you have affiliate
>   >   > presidential
>   >   >   >> meetings with carl and the other affiliate/chapter
> presidents,
>   > can we
>   >   >   >> please remind them of this to tell there members in there
>   > chapters.
>   >   > Such
>   >   >   >> as Maria Garcia POBC or Student President, you know what I
> mean.
>   >   >   >>
>   >   >   >> Thank you for letting me post this information.
>   >   >   >>
>   >   >   >>
>   >   >   >> Cheryl Echevarria
>   >   >   >> Treasurer,
>   >   >   >> Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the
>   > Blind
>   >   >   >>
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