[Nyagdu] a reminder
Tracy Carcione
carcione at access.net
Mon Nov 2 16:31:52 UTC 2009
If you felt I was rude, I appologize. That was not my intent.
Tracy
> Tracy that was rude and unsensitive and was definitely no called for.
>
> As I had said I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone on this list or part of
> our division. I was also stating a rule with hotels period. Since I am not
> only a graduate of some of the suppliers to whom I am selling every single
> one of them have this policy and since we already have problems finding
> places that are affordable to take us for a convention as well as with
> educating people about guide dogs. I was stating a fact, we can be asked
> to leave a hotel and not return because of these rules.
>
> Again, I was stating facts and not pointing my fingers at you.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Treasurer,
> Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tracy Carcione<mailto:carcione at access.net>
> To: New York Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] a reminder
>
>
> My goodness, don't get all upset because I disagree with something.
> Reasoned argument keeps organizations healthy and in touch with the
> membership.
> Tracy
>
> > okay I have tried to be nice I do not want to be part of a division
> that
> > doesn't take its lead from the national division, I am helping to
> organize
> > the NY State Diabetic Action Network, and will be taking full advise
> from
> > the national division since I was asked to start one by that
> president. I
> > feel if I cannot express my concerns and again wasn't point fingers at
> > tracy or any member of the state division. In fact it has nothing to
> do
> > with the National either, it is a hotel policy for all hotels, no
> leaving
> > of pets and children unattended in rooms alone.
> >
> > not going to be involved in this list again, if Margo needs me she
> knows
> > where to find me.
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > Treasurer,
> > Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind
> >
> > Echevarriatravel.com
> > Reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:Reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:Reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:Reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tracy
> Carcione<mailto:carcione at access.net<mailto:carcione at access.net>>
> > To: New York Association of Guide Dog
> Users<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] a reminder
> >
> >
> > I have left my dogs in the room, when I felt it was best. I have
> never
> > had a problem with it. I know my dogs well enough to know they
> won't
> > get
> > into trouble, and I hang up the Do Not Disturb sign so hotel staff
> won't
> > walk in.
> > For instance, I have left the dog in the room during state
> hospitality,
> > sometimes, because I want to wander around to various tables and
> talk to
> > people, and the dog seems to find that a bit confusing. The dog
> wants
> > to
> > walk around the tables, and I want to go up to each one, perhaps.
> > At national, I have left my dog in the room once in a while near the
> end
> > of the week, just because the dog was getting tired of dodging the
> canes
> > and really needed a break. It never caused a problem. But of
> course,
> > at
> > national daddy knows best, and how dare I imagine that I know what
> my
> > own
> > dog needs and can handle?!! This policy really annoys me.
> > Tracy
> >
> > > Well besides a guide dog users I am also a mother, I would never
> leave
> > my
> > > children unattended in the room alone, and I will not leave my dog
> > alone
> > > in the room, they have feelings as well. staff at hotels may night
> be
> > > feeling the same.
> > >
> > > As a responsbile adult I think myself if you are bringing the dog
> with
> > you
> > > to work at a convention then use the dog, I particularly bring
> maxx to
> > > convention but this year I will bring him to dallas again.
> > >
> > > I agree Tracy you are an adult and no better but there are other
> that
> > > don't belong to NYAGDU or NAGDU that don't go by policy and in
> some
> > hotels
> > > that have animal acceptance policies where you have a guide dog or
> not
> > can
> > > not be left in room unattended, this is put out by the hotel
> industry,
> > as
> > > well.
> > >
> > > Being with the state since 2006 and had my dog since 2007 and
> taken
> > Maxx
> > > everywhere I go when I bring him with me, and leave him home when
> I
> > feel
> > > that I might not want to use him all the time, he is not a cane
> where
> > I
> > > can just leave it in the room and it will sit against the wall.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheryl Echevarria
> > > Treasurer,
> > > Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the
> Blind
> > >
> > > Echevarriatravel.com
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> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tracy
> > Carcione<mailto:carcione at access.net<mailto:carcione at access.net<mailto:carcione at access.net%3Cmailto:carcione at access.net>>>
> > > To: New York Association of Guide Dog
> > Users<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>>>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:04 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] a reminder
> > >
> > >
> > > I think the national policy is highly obnoxious, and I'd feel
> the
> > same
> > > if
> > > it became a state policy. I am a responsible adult. I know how
> to
> > > handle
> > > my dog. Others may advise me, but, in the end, it's my dog and
> my
> > > decisions. And I'm perfectly willing to grant that my comrades
> in
> > > NYAGDU
> > > are also responsible adults, who don't need me to tell them what
> to
> > do.
> > >
> > > If it were a school or an agency assuming we are too ignorant to
> > handle
> > > our own dogs, we'd tell them where to get off. But since it's
> the
> > NFB,
> > > it's supposed to be just fine. Well, I don't buy it.
> > >
> > > So far as I know, we have never had any serious dog problems at
> > state
> > > conventions. I've been around about 25 years now, and was
> president
> > of
> > > NYAGDU for a few years, so I think I would have heard. So why
> > institute
> > > a
> > > policy that treats people like idiots, when there's not even a
> > problem
> > > to
> > > be solved?
> > > I say no.
> > > Tracy
> > >
> > > > The NFB national has a policy of not leaving dogs in rooms
> alone.
> > I'd
> > > > like
> > > > to have a similar or same policy for NFB NY. what do you all
> > think?
> > > >
> > > > Margo and Arrow
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "cheryl echevarria"
> > > <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>>>>
> > > > To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>>>>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:12 AM
> > > > Subject: [Nyagdu] a reminder
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> This is just a reminder at convention I know there were a few
> > people
> > > >> that
> > > >> left there guide dogs in there hotel rooms.
> > > >>
> > > >> I am not going to point fingers at anyone, and most of the
> people
> > do
> > > not
> > > >> belong to NYAGDU. But I am not going to open a can of worms.
> > > >>
> > > >> We need to enforce this rule, we cannot afford to have
> misbehaved
> > > dogs
> > > >> in
> > > >> the room, and myself as a parent I wouldn't leave my child
> alone
> > in
> > > the
> > > >> room why leave a dog, if you don't want to take your dog
> allow
> > over
> > > the
> > > >> place then leave the dog at home.
> > > >>
> > > >> Dogs can have accidents or scare the cleaning people or maybe
> > hotel
> > > >> staff
> > > >> that need to go into your room and fix something.
> > > >>
> > > >> Margo, since you are our president, when you have affiliate
> > > presidential
> > > >> meetings with carl and the other affiliate/chapter
> presidents,
> > can we
> > > >> please remind them of this to tell there members in there
> > chapters.
> > > Such
> > > >> as Maria Garcia POBC or Student President, you know what I
> mean.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thank you for letting me post this information.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheryl Echevarria
> > > >> Treasurer,
> > > >> Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the
> > Blind
> > > >>
> > > >> Echevarriatravel.com
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