[Nyagdu] a reminder
Margo and Arrow
margo.downey at verizon.net
Mon Nov 2 16:24:16 UTC 2009
Tracy, your points are well taken and the national policy's point is well
taken, in my view--both have merit.
perhaps you know what your dogs do or don't do and how your dogs behave and
that's a good thing. Many people don't. I think on a national level there
were multiple problems with dogs who destroyed rooms, didn't behave somehow
and all that.
I suppose people could be singled out and told not to leave their dogs.
Tracy, you are responsible and most of us are but there are a few who
aren't. We can either make a policy for all or can single out those who are
not responsible or who have not acted in a responsible adult way and ask
them to leave the dogs in the room.
I'm opening this up for discussion.
Again, Tracy, your points are well taken, so are Cheryl's and so is
National's.
Let's see what we can do about all this.
margo and Arrow----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] a reminder
>I have left my dogs in the room, when I felt it was best. I have never
> had a problem with it. I know my dogs well enough to know they won't get
> into trouble, and I hang up the Do Not Disturb sign so hotel staff won't
> walk in.
> For instance, I have left the dog in the room during state hospitality,
> sometimes, because I want to wander around to various tables and talk to
> people, and the dog seems to find that a bit confusing. The dog wants to
> walk around the tables, and I want to go up to each one, perhaps.
> At national, I have left my dog in the room once in a while near the end
> of the week, just because the dog was getting tired of dodging the canes
> and really needed a break. It never caused a problem. But of course, at
> national daddy knows best, and how dare I imagine that I know what my own
> dog needs and can handle?!! This policy really annoys me.
> Tracy
>
>> Well besides a guide dog users I am also a mother, I would never leave my
>> children unattended in the room alone, and I will not leave my dog alone
>> in the room, they have feelings as well. staff at hotels may night be
>> feeling the same.
>>
>> As a responsbile adult I think myself if you are bringing the dog with
>> you
>> to work at a convention then use the dog, I particularly bring maxx to
>> convention but this year I will bring him to dallas again.
>>
>> I agree Tracy you are an adult and no better but there are other that
>> don't belong to NYAGDU or NAGDU that don't go by policy and in some
>> hotels
>> that have animal acceptance policies where you have a guide dog or not
>> can
>> not be left in room unattended, this is put out by the hotel industry, as
>> well.
>>
>> Being with the state since 2006 and had my dog since 2007 and taken Maxx
>> everywhere I go when I bring him with me, and leave him home when I feel
>> that I might not want to use him all the time, he is not a cane where I
>> can just leave it in the room and it will sit against the wall.
>>
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> Treasurer,
>> Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind
>>
>> Echevarriatravel.com
>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:Reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
>> 1-866-580-5574
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>> CST #1018299-10
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tracy Carcione<mailto:carcione at access.net>
>> To: New York Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nyagdu] a reminder
>>
>>
>> I think the national policy is highly obnoxious, and I'd feel the same
>> if
>> it became a state policy. I am a responsible adult. I know how to
>> handle
>> my dog. Others may advise me, but, in the end, it's my dog and my
>> decisions. And I'm perfectly willing to grant that my comrades in
>> NYAGDU
>> are also responsible adults, who don't need me to tell them what to do.
>>
>> If it were a school or an agency assuming we are too ignorant to handle
>> our own dogs, we'd tell them where to get off. But since it's the NFB,
>> it's supposed to be just fine. Well, I don't buy it.
>>
>> So far as I know, we have never had any serious dog problems at state
>> conventions. I've been around about 25 years now, and was president of
>> NYAGDU for a few years, so I think I would have heard. So why
>> institute
>> a
>> policy that treats people like idiots, when there's not even a problem
>> to
>> be solved?
>> I say no.
>> Tracy
>>
>> > The NFB national has a policy of not leaving dogs in rooms alone.
>> I'd
>> > like
>> > to have a similar or same policy for NFB NY. what do you all think?
>> >
>> > Margo and Arrow
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "cheryl echevarria"
>> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>>
>> > To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nyagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nyagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:12 AM
>> > Subject: [Nyagdu] a reminder
>> >
>> >
>> >> This is just a reminder at convention I know there were a few people
>> >> that
>> >> left there guide dogs in there hotel rooms.
>> >>
>> >> I am not going to point fingers at anyone, and most of the people do
>> not
>> >> belong to NYAGDU. But I am not going to open a can of worms.
>> >>
>> >> We need to enforce this rule, we cannot afford to have misbehaved
>> dogs
>> >> in
>> >> the room, and myself as a parent I wouldn't leave my child alone in
>> the
>> >> room why leave a dog, if you don't want to take your dog allow over
>> the
>> >> place then leave the dog at home.
>> >>
>> >> Dogs can have accidents or scare the cleaning people or maybe hotel
>> >> staff
>> >> that need to go into your room and fix something.
>> >>
>> >> Margo, since you are our president, when you have affiliate
>> presidential
>> >> meetings with carl and the other affiliate/chapter presidents, can
>> we
>> >> please remind them of this to tell there members in there chapters.
>> Such
>> >> as Maria Garcia POBC or Student President, you know what I mean.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for letting me post this information.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cheryl Echevarria
>> >> Treasurer,
>> >> Greater Long Island Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind
>> >>
>> >> Echevarriatravel.com
>> >>
>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:Reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:Reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:Reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
>> >> 1-866-580-5574
>> >> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>> >> CST #1018299-10
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