[Oagdu] You can't have the best of both worlds... Or can you?

Tue Aug 18 18:44:48 UTC 2015

Are there any other criteria any of you might use who might object to being 
transported by someone in a private vehicle?  If so, how is this different 
from similar discriminatory objections against dog guide users?  An example 
being:  That of an epileptic driver, or one with diabetes.  Diabetic drivers 
aren't permitted to drive commercial vehicles.  Yet, they drive themselves 
and their families all the time.  If such a person has an accident, the 
circumstances surrounding that accident should be examined, and if 
necessary, driving privileges might be revoked.  As was probably done in the 
case of that train engineer who killed all those people recently.  Because 
he was speeding.  Causing his train to derail.  I believe he was fully 
sighted when this occurred.  But, if a driver is licensed, it should be 
assumed he is competent.  Till proven otherwise.  As was done regarding this 
engineer.  Blanket restrictions ought not be invoked.  Totally Deaf people 
drive.  If legally blind people are restricted from driving with whatever 
technology which might be available to assist with this task,  Should they 
be restricted from attempts to graduate from medical school as a legally 
blind person.  Or, as blind persons use to be when I attended high school, 
restricted from taking chemistry or home economics courses?  Based on no 
other reason than some subjective assessment such was not possible.  Because 
the individual is blind?  Should legally blind individuals be barred from 
shooting ranges, or from taking shooting lessons?  Or from operating heavy 
machinery.  Based on the same reason.  When we restrict people from such 
tasks as driving, are we not negating their own ability to determine for 
themselves their competency levels?  Are we not doing to them the very thing 
we say is wrong for sighted people to do.  When they determine for us, 
rather than allowing us to do so for ourselves, our ability to perform 
occupations satisfactorily?  I think we are.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Megan Schief via Oagdu" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <meandthedog at oberlin.net>; "Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List" 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Oagdu] You can't have the best of both worlds... Or can you?


>> N.Y. state has been doing this for  years. It isn't safe. My sister
> passed the test, and i wouldn't
> get into a car with her either. as my local vision was good and the rest
> was bad. LOL. Me
> and MS. P.
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> I actually once worked with someone who used the bioptics while driving. I
>> had to ride in a van with this person on a 2 hour long trip and I tell 
>> you
>> what... This person should NEVER have been allowed to drive. They scared
>> the living daylights out of me and I NEVER rode in a car with them
>> again!!! I thought we were going to wreck about 10 times and it was so
>> scary. I was praying the entire time.
>> Deanna
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luann Bowers
>> via Oagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:56 AM
>> To: Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List
>> Cc: Luann Bowers
>> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] You can't have the best of both worlds... Or can 
>> you?
>>
>> Hi everyone this is Luanne and cadence I agree also you shouldn't have
>> both of both worlds if you're blind you're blind I agree also it would be
>> quite dangerous if she's on the road with bionics also she could use them
>> like Marianne said to check corners and everything but I don't think she
>> needs both if she's blind and requires a dog and she shouldn't be driving
>> thanks a lot Lou and cadence
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Aug 18, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Marianne Denning via Oagdu
>>> <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> If her vision is bad enough to need a cane or dog then I wouldn't want
>>> her on the road.  If her vision is good enough to drive then she
>>> doesn't need a cane or dog. She could also use the bioptic lenses to
>>> check corners for crossing and other things.
>>>
>>>> On 8/18/15, Deanna Lewis via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Good Morning,
>>>> I have been pondering over something that I saw someone write on
>>>> Facebook a few weeks ago. This girl is a guide dog user, and is also
>>>> doing bioptic driver training. For those who are not sure what that
>>>> is, it's training to help visually impaired people continue to drive,
>>>> with the use of monoculars and other devices.
>>>> Personally, I have a lot of issues with this scenario. I feel that if
>>>> you are legally blind and require a cane or a guide dog to get around
>>>> safely, that you should not be able to drive too. You can't have the
>>>> best of both worlds, you are either blind or sighted. Yes, there are
>>>> many blind people with some vision, but I think it's wrong to have
>>>> both a guide dog and a driver's license. I don't think it's fair to use
>>>> both.
>>>> What do you all think? Am I over-reacting? Do you know other guide
>>>> dog handlers who also drive?
>>>> Deanna and Mambo
>>>>
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>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>>> (513) 607-6053
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