[Oagdu] You can't have the best of both worlds... Or can you?

Tue Aug 18 18:50:35 UTC 2015

A legally blind person who needs a guide dog indicates their vision is
severe enough that they cannot travel independently.  If a blind
person can't travel independently they should not use a guide dog.
Remember, they are getting behind the wheel of a vehicle that has the
power to injure or kill.  People who have seizures are kept from
driving unless the seizures are under control for a period of time and
if they reoccur they cannot drive again.  I would absolutely never get
in the car of anyone who is driving and has a guide dog.  If they can
drive why do they need a dog?

On 8/18/15, Angel via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Are there any other criteria any of you might use who might object to being
>
> transported by someone in a private vehicle?  If so, how is this different
> from similar discriminatory objections against dog guide users?  An example
>
> being:  That of an epileptic driver, or one with diabetes.  Diabetic drivers
>
> aren't permitted to drive commercial vehicles.  Yet, they drive themselves
> and their families all the time.  If such a person has an accident, the
> circumstances surrounding that accident should be examined, and if
> necessary, driving privileges might be revoked.  As was probably done in the
>
> case of that train engineer who killed all those people recently.  Because
> he was speeding.  Causing his train to derail.  I believe he was fully
> sighted when this occurred.  But, if a driver is licensed, it should be
> assumed he is competent.  Till proven otherwise.  As was done regarding this
>
> engineer.  Blanket restrictions ought not be invoked.  Totally Deaf people
> drive.  If legally blind people are restricted from driving with whatever
> technology which might be available to assist with this task,  Should they
> be restricted from attempts to graduate from medical school as a legally
> blind person.  Or, as blind persons use to be when I attended high school,
> restricted from taking chemistry or home economics courses?  Based on no
> other reason than some subjective assessment such was not possible.  Because
>
> the individual is blind?  Should legally blind individuals be barred from
> shooting ranges, or from taking shooting lessons?  Or from operating heavy
> machinery.  Based on the same reason.  When we restrict people from such
> tasks as driving, are we not negating their own ability to determine for
> themselves their competency levels?  Are we not doing to them the very thing
>
> we say is wrong for sighted people to do.  When they determine for us,
> rather than allowing us to do so for ourselves, our ability to perform
> occupations satisfactorily?  I think we are.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Megan Schief via Oagdu" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: <meandthedog at oberlin.net>; "Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List"
> <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] You can't have the best of both worlds... Or can you?
>
>
>>> N.Y. state has been doing this for  years. It isn't safe. My sister
>> passed the test, and i wouldn't
>> get into a car with her either. as my local vision was good and the rest
>> was bad. LOL. Me
>> and MS. P.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I actually once worked with someone who used the bioptics while driving.
>> I
>>> had to ride in a van with this person on a 2 hour long trip and I tell
>>> you
>>> what... This person should NEVER have been allowed to drive. They scared
>>> the living daylights out of me and I NEVER rode in a car with them
>>> again!!! I thought we were going to wreck about 10 times and it was so
>>> scary. I was praying the entire time.
>>> Deanna
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luann Bowers
>>> via Oagdu
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:56 AM
>>> To: Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List
>>> Cc: Luann Bowers
>>> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] You can't have the best of both worlds... Or can
>>> you?
>>>
>>> Hi everyone this is Luanne and cadence I agree also you shouldn't have
>>> both of both worlds if you're blind you're blind I agree also it would
>>> be
>>> quite dangerous if she's on the road with bionics also she could use
>>> them
>>> like Marianne said to check corners and everything but I don't think she
>>> needs both if she's blind and requires a dog and she shouldn't be
>>> driving
>>> thanks a lot Lou and cadence
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 18, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Marianne Denning via Oagdu
>>>> <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If her vision is bad enough to need a cane or dog then I wouldn't want
>>>> her on the road.  If her vision is good enough to drive then she
>>>> doesn't need a cane or dog. She could also use the bioptic lenses to
>>>> check corners for crossing and other things.
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/18/15, Deanna Lewis via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Good Morning,
>>>>> I have been pondering over something that I saw someone write on
>>>>> Facebook a few weeks ago. This girl is a guide dog user, and is also
>>>>> doing bioptic driver training. For those who are not sure what that
>>>>> is, it's training to help visually impaired people continue to drive,
>>>>> with the use of monoculars and other devices.
>>>>> Personally, I have a lot of issues with this scenario. I feel that if
>>>>> you are legally blind and require a cane or a guide dog to get around
>>>>> safely, that you should not be able to drive too. You can't have the
>>>>> best of both worlds, you are either blind or sighted. Yes, there are
>>>>> many blind people with some vision, but I think it's wrong to have
>>>>> both a guide dog and a driver's license. I don't think it's fair to
>>>>> use
>>>>> both.
>>>>> What do you all think? Am I over-reacting? Do you know other guide
>>>>> dog handlers who also drive?
>>>>> Deanna and Mambo
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>>>> (513) 607-6053
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Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053