[Oagdu] You can't have the best of both worlds... Or can you?

Tue Aug 18 19:20:39 UTC 2015

I have zero tolerance for drinking and driving, believe anyone over 65
should be tested annually to determine if they have the agility and
mental ability to drive a car.  At this time we do not have the
technology for a severely visually impaired person to drive a car.  I
believe driving is a privilege and many people who currently drive
should not drive.
I have worked with people who are blind and visually impaired in a
professional position for over 20 years and know that giving up
driving is the most difficult thing many of them have to do.  Many of
them continue to drive long after it is safe to do so and, in the
state of Ohio, it is recommended, not required, that eye doctors
notify the state so driving privileges are taken away.  That is not
ture in every state.  In some states, it is mandatory that eye doctors
report when someone's vision is too severe.  It scares me to think how
many drivers are on the road who have no business being there.  I will
be glad when cars drive themselves.
On 8/18/15, Angel via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I think the public will react the same way it does when a person without a
> visible challenge who advantages himself of a handicap parking space, and
> the same way it reacts to what it hasn't enough knowledge to fully
> understand.  Such as its reaction regarding service animals, and where they
>
> ought to be allowed.  When there are self driving cars, which won't be long
>
> in coming, how many dog guide users might be wanting to drive them, and how
>
> many ignorant people will snicker.  When they see a person with a guide
> getting out of one of those vehicles.  I am not an expert on modern
> technological advances.  But, I would assume a person using a dog guide
> might have been evaluated  by someone to be a proper person to use one.  I
> wouldn't know whether that individuals vision might fluctuate depending on
> variables.  With which I am not familiar.  Being totally blind as am I.
> Perhaps the technology within the car would compensate for the visual
> deficiencies the blind driver might have.  I wouldn't know.  I remember my
> mother told me a story.  Which is appropriate in this case.  It seems a
> person came to our home in the mid 1950's, wanting to sell something.  I
> assume it might have been to promote some organization for the Deaf.  He
> presented her with a card saying he was Deaf, and asking her to consider
> purchasing what he was selling.  She asked him::  "Are you really Deaf?"  He
>
> answered "Yes I am".  She assumed he was scamming her, and he wasn't truly
> Deaf.  Now he may well have been reading her lips.  Or, he might have had a
>
> very fine hearing aid.  Regardless, her perception may have not been
> correct.  If we allowed ignorant public perceptions to stop us from
> achieving what it was we wanted.  Using the technology available to us, we
> would still be living in the dark ages somewhere.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marianne Denning via Oagdu" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Marianne Denning" <marianne at denningweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] You can't have the best of both worlds... Or can you?
>
>
>> Angel, in most cases I do believe you are correct.  In this situation
>> I respectfully disagree.  A guide dog is trained, at great expense, to
>> provide assistance to someone who has vision that is compromised to
>> the point where the person either needs a cane or dog to travel
>> safely.  If an individual can see well enough to drive a car then, I
>> don't their vision is severe enough to need a guide dog and the dog is
>> more of a pet.  Also, how do you think the public will react to
>> someone driving a car and then getting out with their guide dog?  This
>> really sends a mixed message.  JMO.
>>
>> On 8/18/15, Angel via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I don't think we should decide this question.  It should be up to this
>>> woman
>>>
>>> and the professionals assisting her to decide such questions as are
>>> these.
>>> Though, individuals are free to choose not to ride with such people as
>>> are
>>> they.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Deanna Lewis via Oagdu" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "Deanna Lewis" <DLewis at clovernook.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 10:07 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] You can't have the best of both worlds... Or can
>>> you?
>>>
>>>
>>>>I actually once worked with someone who used the bioptics while driving.
>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>had to ride in a van with this person on a 2 hour long trip and I tell
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>what... This person should NEVER have been allowed to drive. They scared
>>>>the living daylights out of me and I NEVER rode in a car with them
>>>>again!!!
>>>>
>>>>I thought we were going to wreck about 10 times and it was so scary. I
>>>>was
>>>>
>>>>praying the entire time.
>>>> Deanna
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luann Bowers
>>>> via Oagdu
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:56 AM
>>>> To: Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List
>>>> Cc: Luann Bowers
>>>> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] You can't have the best of both worlds... Or can
>>>> you?
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone this is Luanne and cadence I agree also you shouldn't have
>>>> both of both worlds if you're blind you're blind I agree also it would
>>>> be
>>>>
>>>> quite dangerous if she's on the road with bionics also she could use
>>>> them
>>>>
>>>> like Marianne said to check corners and everything but I don't think
>>>> she
>>>> needs both if she's blind and requires a dog and she shouldn't be
>>>> driving
>>>>
>>>> thanks a lot Lou and cadence
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 18, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Marianne Denning via Oagdu
>>>>> <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If her vision is bad enough to need a cane or dog then I wouldn't want
>>>>> her on the road.  If her vision is good enough to drive then she
>>>>> doesn't need a cane or dog. She could also use the bioptic lenses to
>>>>> check corners for crossing and other things.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/18/15, Deanna Lewis via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Good Morning,
>>>>>> I have been pondering over something that I saw someone write on
>>>>>> Facebook a few weeks ago. This girl is a guide dog user, and is also
>>>>>> doing bioptic driver training. For those who are not sure what that
>>>>>> is, it's training to help visually impaired people continue to drive,
>>>>>> with the use of monoculars and other devices.
>>>>>> Personally, I have a lot of issues with this scenario. I feel that if
>>>>>> you are legally blind and require a cane or a guide dog to get around
>>>>>> safely, that you should not be able to drive too. You can't have the
>>>>>> best of both worlds, you are either blind or sighted. Yes, there are
>>>>>> many blind people with some vision, but I think it's wrong to have
>>>>>> both a guide dog and a driver's license. I don't think it's fair to
>>>>>> use
>>>>>>
>>>>>> both.
>>>>>> What do you all think? Am I over-reacting? Do you know other guide
>>>>>> dog handlers who also drive?
>>>>>> Deanna and Mambo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>>>>> (513) 607-6053
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